Showing logs for date: 2018-06-08
02:13:51 <ynpvisitor20> daisy ie
02:22:30 <ynpvisitor109> bhi
02:36:28 <Betty> morning all
02:36:38 <Betty> is that still indy?
02:36:59 <ynpvisitor109> yes
02:37:19 <Betty> cool. thx. nice timing then
02:37:44 <Betty> BH anywhere in there
02:46:55 <Betty> back to work for me. bbl
02:59:33 <ynpvisitor20> Large Lion
03:03:52 <Rice> Nice way to start the morning, OF
03:37:23 <ynpvisitor57> congratulations CAPS, victory is sweet
03:41:18 <ALL CAPS> thanks, big celebration here. Knights had an awesome season too, nobody expected them to go to the finals in year 1
04:23:13 <ynpvisitor57> Castle
04:23:25 <ynpvisitor57> 0622
04:55:12 <ynpvisitor57> DAISY
04:55:33 <Dave from B™> Good morning everyone
04:55:57 <ynpvisitor57> Hello Dave
04:59:41 <ynpvisitor57>
05:03:14 <Dave from B™> God morning Joe
05:03:18 <Dave from B™> Good*
05:10:02 <ynpvisitor57> It is both :)
05:11:57 <Dave from B™> hahaha
05:13:00 <ynpvisitor57> Lion
05:15:29 <ynpvisitor57> Soon I will be one of those lucky people
05:20:25 <Dave from B™> Joe, I forgot where you were staying...OF? WEst? camping?
05:20:43 <ynpvisitor57> Canyon
05:22:38 <Dave from B™> That's about a 4 hour drive for you?
05:22:40 <ynpvisitor57> Should be arriving at OF area ~10am tomorrow!
05:23:09 <ynpvisitor57> Yes 4 hours
05:24:48 <lc> morning
05:25:19 <lc> I see Kitt is still around.
05:26:00 <Dave from B™> Hi, lc. I believe Bill is working somewhere all week so she decided to stay in the park. I imagine she's going home at some point:)
05:26:15 <Dave from B™> She has to pack!
05:26:24 <ynpvisitor57> I do not think you can remove Kitt from Yellowstone :)
05:26:32 <lc> was wondering about that.
05:27:08 <Dave from B™> I bet she's going to try to catch Steamboat again and then head home
05:28:19 <lc> I think their anniversary is coming up pretty soon.
05:28:34 <ynpvisitor57> I may get to meet her then, she lives ~30 miles from me and I've never met her.
05:28:36 <Dave from B™> It is..13th?
05:29:19 <lc> was thinking 15th, not sure.
05:29:35 <Dave from B™> When does she had back to park?
05:29:57 <lc> I think 20
05:30:43 <lc> you and Becca going in tomorrow?
05:31:17 <Dave from B™> Monday morning real early
05:31:34 <Dave from B™> Leaving home at 0400
05:31:51 <lc> do you know how long Greg and Leslie are in for?
05:32:23 <Dave from B™> Not sure when they leave but they will be gone before Monday
05:33:11 <Dave from B™> lc, make sure you pack a good hat for sun protection for the long sits at Steamboat
05:33:44 <lc> how about Steve? and what are his July plans?
05:34:05 <lc> I do have a BIG hat.
05:34:59 <Dave from B™> He just arrived last Friday, June 1. I think he leaves next week. I'm not sure of his July plans
05:35:56 <lc> I think Donnie and Betty coming back June 20.
05:36:38 <Dave from B™> That's great. I can't wait to get back to OF and see the whole crew
05:39:40 <lc> we lost one phase of power Sunday, suppose to dig up and splice the line today.
05:40:13 <lc> same thing happened two years ago while we were gone.
05:40:50 <Dave from B™> That's no fun.
05:40:53 <ynpvisitor57> Riverside
05:43:24 <lc> this time we would have lost our freezer if we had been gone. last time we lost the fridge but not the freezer.
05:43:42 <Jimbo Chromium> Well, that didn't work
05:44:09 <Dave from B™> Have you alwasy had problems with power or just in the last 2 years?
05:44:35 <lc> two years ago was the first time.
05:45:16 <lc> power lines are over 40 years old.
05:45:33 <Dave from B™> Is the line issue in the same place?
05:46:43 <lc> about 7 foot
05:48:26 <lc> I need to do a few things, bbl.
05:50:30 <Dave from B™> talk to you later, lc
06:15:12 <ynpvisitor23> LION
06:23:37 <Bill> Morning
06:23:51 <ynpvisitor23> what exactly does the 0730 Steamboat note mean?
06:28:51 <Eric> To me it says that steamboat is progressing similar to how it has in it's previous eruptions.
06:29:03 <Bill> Any new notes?
06:29:04 <ALL CAPS> STeamboat is recovering and splashing more than yesterday ... recovery rate is something we are tracking to see if its any predictor for the eruption
06:29:12 <Bill> Oh good!
06:29:29 <Bill> Cistern had JUST filled when i got there in the morning.
06:29:45 <Eric> It was in overflow and boiling lightly by end of day Bill
06:30:24 <ynpvisitor23> Great I was concerned by the run off channel dry! dry! dry! comment
06:32:33 <Eric> ohh, I am not sure about the significance of the "dry dry dry" comment, as the note mentions north vent is active.
06:33:01 <ALL CAPS> it doesnt sound like steamboat is splashing much. The runoff close to boardwalk often drys up in the afternoon with the sun on it but there is often a trickle in the morning
06:33:43 <ALL CAPS> my guess is t will e wet tomorrow morning
06:33:45 <ynpvisitor23> thanks
06:37:21 <Bill> I have a REALLY cool video o Cistern draining that i can hopefully share eventually.... obviously it wont be before next week
06:38:29 <Bill> The Steamboat video didn't turn out, again.
06:41:53 <Eric> bummer
06:42:16 <Eric> cistern timelapse would be cool
06:45:03 <Eric> grand
06:45:05 <Eric> .
06:45:06 <Eric> .
06:45:06 <Eric> .
06:45:09 <Eric> morning :-D
06:45:26 <Eric> actually 8:44
06:45:49 <ALL CAPS> D0
06:49:26 <sparekitty> this camera is amazing!
06:54:34 <Jimbo Chromium> Good 2nd!
07:11:00 <Eric> Maybe someone mentioned this already, but Cameron (Cam) Sholly will be the new park sup.
07:14:39 <Art> Do they love killing bison by the truck load, cause I heard that's a requirement ;)
07:18:34 <Dave from B™> Art, how else do you propose that we manage the bison herd? Herds grow very very fast
07:20:43 <Art> I was just joking based on the article that was in the paper yesterday
07:20:58 <Art> About why the current park sup thinks he was forced out
07:21:21 <Dave from B™> Yeah, I saw that too.
07:21:23 <Art> I propose we clone sabertooth tigers and release them in the park, the only natural predator to the bison
07:22:01 <Mike J> Jurrasaic National Park: The Sabertooth Returns
07:22:01 <Dave from B™> I agree with not killing the bison and sending them to reservations who want live animals.
07:23:30 <Dave from B™> montana ranchers are worried about that
07:23:58 <Dave from B™> I think the park visitation limitation issue upset people more.
07:24:36 <Dave from B™> Powerful gateway community businessman probably put a lot of pressure on politicians
07:25:26 <Dave from B™> It is normal for people to be moved around but I can't help but think this is stinky filthy politics at its finest
07:25:52 <Art> I think this is best left to the folks who are doing the research/scientific studies on the topic
07:26:05 <Art> Emotional non-evidence based decisions are never good
07:27:17 <Art> Carrying capacity and what not
07:27:21 <Dave from B™> Art, Wenk was leading research and surveys regarding visitation and the current experience. I believe he is trying to find something before people love YNP to death
07:27:34 <Bill> I can say for sure it's not something the NPS wants to do, and we have (i think) a 3000 bison limit set with negotiations with the surrounding ranchers.
07:27:47 <Dave from B™> It comes down to the almighty dollar and it's power
07:28:05 <Art> If only the wolves were better Bison hunters
07:28:30 <Dave from B™> I agree Art. I think people were hopping wolves would keep bison numbers lower but they really don't
07:28:37 <Dave from B™> hooping*
07:28:44 <Jake> lol
07:28:45 <Dave from B™> uggh
07:29:16 <Mike J> Right after they bring the sabertooth back, let's bring back the hopping wolves
07:29:32 <Dave from B™> Yes, they can jump right on top of a bison
07:29:49 <Mike J> Still laughing at the image of a cross between a wolf and a kangaroo
07:30:43 <Dave from B™> Evidently Jake is too
07:31:34 <Jake> I was more amused at your ability to correctly spell 2 words while also committing typos!
07:31:52 <Art> in 2016: 161 elk (68.5%), 19 bison (8.1%), five mule deer (2.1%), 14 deer of unknown species (6% probably mule deer), four coyotes (1.7%), three wolves (1.3%), three pronghorn (1.3%), three bighorn sheep (1.3%), two badgers (0.9%), two snowshoe hares (0.9%), one moose (0.4%), one beaver (0.4%), and 17 unidentified animals (7.2%).
07:32:09 <Jake> ranchers would definitely be against hopping wolves, hooping wolves would have more entertainment value
07:33:08 <Art> The type of prey killed by wolves varies by time period and consists primarily of elk. However, predation on other prey such as bison may be changing with their increasing abundance (figure 3).
07:33:33 <Dave from B™> I can see it now upon entering YNP: Beware. Your vehicle is subject to damage by Steamboat and hopping wolves.
07:34:01 <Dave from B™> Bison due such a better job protecting their young
07:34:07 <Dave from B™> do*
07:34:21 <Jake> I like coming up with radical ideas. Eliminate all the elk. Then wolves have to kill bison which will also kill & injure the wolves. Everyone wins!
07:35:03 <Eric> Visitor bison catching program. If you can load a bison in the back of your SUV,you can keep it.
07:35:05 <Dave from B™> Or, we could roundup all the elk for a few months:)
07:35:16 <ynpvisitor23> DAISY
07:35:23 <Dave from B™> haha Eric.....sadly that has happened
07:36:05 <ALL CAPS> have the wolves made it down to the Elk refuge in Jackson, good all you can eat buffet there
07:36:12 <Eric> Just wait...we are going to have a hunting program in YNP. zinke loves the hunters
07:36:23 <Jake> yeah, I was trying to come up with something to solve the visitation problem and bison problem, every 5th visitor has to ride a bison
07:36:39 <Dave from B™> He will have a big fight on his hands if he tries that
07:36:45 <Kevin L™> Congrats on the win Graham.
07:36:58 <Eric> ohhh, caps are back
07:36:59 <Jake> Custer State Park has a bison "hunt"
07:37:16 <Eric> Well, they round up their entire herd and vaccinate and cull.
07:37:43 <ALL CAPS> thanks Kevin and to you for a great first season for the Knights
07:38:08 <Art> Uploaded a video of the runoff about 6 minutes into 6/4 Steamboat eruption:
07:38:43 <Kevin L™> Hmmm Custer State Park has a hunt the charges $3000 to $6000 for a tag. Yellowstone Park is lacking funds. Yellowstone is paying to have bison killed. Does it take a rocket scientist here?
07:38:53 <Eric> I saw that on facebook Art...nice video
07:39:33 <Jake> that's what I was thinking Kevin. it's way more of a visible hot button issue in YNP though
07:39:38 <Eric> I don't like the precedence of hunting in the park. Custer is fine, it actually has a "hunting" history.
07:39:40 <Art> Trying to post to YouTube for the non-Facebook folks
07:40:01 <Kevin L™> I just wish the the Knights were playing their A game. It would have been a lot more fun. That winning goal still has me shaking my head. Why was he so far out of the box?
07:40:26 <Kevin L™> You don't think Yellowstone had a hunting history?
07:40:47 <Dave from B™> More like a poaching history
07:40:57 <Eric> I am sure people hunted there...but it's not know for that.
07:41:11 <Eric> Custer is where roosevelt would spend his summer and hunt.
07:41:33 <Eric> It has a hunting lodge!
07:41:34 <Kevin L™> Didn't he hunt Yellowstone too?
07:41:56 <Eric> Probably....roosevelt hunted a lot :-D
07:42:00 <Kevin L™> If you can fish, why can't you hunt?
07:42:27 <Jake> it was the law passed in 1872(?)
07:42:47 <Art> You can't keep the fish, it's catch and release, unless invasive?
07:42:48 <Eric> fishing is less obtrusive to visitors IMHO
07:43:01 <Kevin L™> Lot of laws have changed since 1872.
07:43:23 <Jake> the Custer hunt is guide-only and they tell you which one to shoot
07:43:37 <Kevin L™> You can keep them in certain places and some places it is catch and release.
07:44:00 <Kevin L™> That would also work in Yellowstone Jake.
07:44:28 <Kevin L™> I would not want to see just open range hunting and it could be done when the park is closed.
07:44:45 <ynpvisitor97> Busiest May on record in Yellowstone 2018
07:44:54 <Kevin L™> :p
07:44:57 <Jake> either declare part of the park no longer the park or wait until the heard crosses the boundary. it's stupid to call it hunting but it could work
07:45:00 <ynpvisitor97> 20,000 visitors up
07:45:02 <Dave from B™> Thanks 97. I thought it would be high
07:45:05 <Art> I believe the idea with Yellowstone is to have an intact ecosystem without the influence of human predation on wildlife
07:45:29 <Kevin L™> Then why allow fishing?
07:45:42 <Dave from B™> I'd be okay with no fishing
07:45:45 <Jake> because fish are lesser creatures
07:45:59 <ynpvisitor97> They shouldn’t allow fishing, at least fly fishing!
07:46:01 <Kevin L™> Ban cars. I know Paul S killed a bison with his car.
07:46:18 <Jake> thus solving the visitation problem! you did it!
07:46:21 <Art> Can of worms = opened
07:46:22 <Dave from B™> I'd be for fewer cars as well
07:46:34 <ynpvisitor97> Why do fly fishermen get to walk all over the rivers? It’s absurd
07:46:40 <Kevin L™> I think the bison killed Paul's car too.
07:47:16 <ynpvisitor97> Way too many people fishing the rivers now
07:47:57 <Jake> I wonder if fishing permits have increased at the same % as gate visitors
07:47:58 <Kevin L™> Maybe if you allowed open hunting it would help eliminate the overcrowding of tourists too!
07:49:30 <Jake> the decline of cutthroat in Yellowstone Lake increased the concentration of fisherman in other rivers and for all the renown of YNP fishing there's only a few good accessible rivers: Firehole, Lamar, Slough
07:54:49 <Kevin L™> I know near Rexburg there are streams that they are trying to restore cutthroat trout (BTW the Nevada State fish) so there is no limit on rainbow and steelhead. Makes me want to move there!
07:56:29 <Kevin L™> It is odd that visitation is up but looking at the west gate cam there doesn't seem to be the same lines as last year.
08:00:56 <Dave from B™> I couldn't believe the numbers of tour buses parked at motels in West last Sat night. It was crazy
08:03:38 <Kevin L™> Anyone sleeping in the buses?
08:03:57 <Kevin L™> wonder what that sign says.
08:04:12 <Dave from B™> Junior Ranger schedule
08:06:58 <Kevin L™> Smart kid!
08:07:46 <Dave from B™> haha but someone was washing one at 11pm
08:08:28 <Kevin L™> Maybe you could have made a deal with the driver. Bus would be more comfy than your car.
08:28:24 <ynpvisitor66> Kevin, it is just the CALM before the storm as far as West Gate goes. Kids are out of school this week, it will pick up after this.
08:28:39 <ynpvisitor66> is that a beware of bear sign on the bw?
08:29:12 <ynpvisitor23> Junior Ranger schedule
08:30:58 <ynpvisitor66> ty
08:31:16 <ynpvisitor66> no Giant notes...
08:35:14 <Kevin L™> Hope it doesn't pick up too much.
08:37:25 <Dave from B™> In 4 years park visitation is up 37% in Jan-May time frame
08:37:59 <ynpvisitor66> a lot of that is wolves as there are strict limits on other entrances
08:38:06 <ynpvisitor66> until third week of April
08:39:46 <ynpvisitor66> finally a 2 burst Grand with people there....
08:39:47 <Art> IDK, most of the wolf watchers are through the gates before there is anyone there
08:40:04 <Art> Unless they count who drives through before attendants are present?
08:40:30 <ynpvisitor66> well look at the entrance numbers, it is only North that has people in winter in any numbers
08:40:50 <ynpvisitor66> not sure how they do the counts, yet in winter a LOT of people come in after the gate is manned. It is cold
08:41:11 <Jake> they have an automatic vehicle counter
08:41:38 <ynpvisitor66> they also take photos as you drive through the gate
08:41:39 <Art> Then snowmobiling in Cooke City could be another factor
08:41:50 <Jake> and they use a multiplier to estimate the number of people. number of auto entrances is also reported but that's not the figure that ends up in the headlines
08:42:32 <ynpvisitor76> I think the end is near. Earthquakes and volcanoes, geysers are doing strange things, animals are attacking people, and the worlds best hockey team is beet in the finals by the worlds worst team.
08:42:39 <Jake> the multiplier method has some critics, but the vehicle count is a solid metric
08:42:55 <Dave from B™> Why don't entrances stay open 24 hours?
08:43:12 <ynpvisitor76> Manned or just open?
08:43:16 <ynpvisitor66> winter is different
08:43:23 <ynpvisitor66> gates close at night
08:43:29 <Dave from B™> manned so everyone has to pay
08:43:48 <ynpvisitor66> not North, as that is cars
08:43:53 <ynpvisitor76> Point of diminishing returns I guess.
08:44:13 <Dave from B™> short staffed enough so I can see why no one is there at night
08:44:21 <Jake> I imagine the cost of paying overtime and carrying extra staff wouldn't be met by nightly revenue
08:44:28 <Art> I guess they've been getting up early to catch some of the snowmobilers
08:44:34 <Art> Who are sneaking in/out without paying
08:44:50 <Art> but don't quote me on that
08:44:51 <ynpvisitor66> you cannot sneak in
08:45:11 <ynpvisitor76> Well you can enter with out paying.
08:45:14 <ynpvisitor66> every snowmobile has to have a guide, except in very few cases when they allow private trips, by lottery ahead
08:45:20 <Dave from B™> I'm talking about in the summer season
08:45:28 <Art> We're talking about the northern tier
08:45:52 <ynpvisitor66> snowmobilers in summer?
08:46:16 <ALL CAPS> and for 76 .... LETS GO CAPS!
08:46:21 <ynpvisitor76> I thought North was open all year for people that live in Cook and Silver Gate.
08:46:39 <ynpvisitor66> ha ha, all caps, 76 cannot even spell beat
08:46:52 <ynpvisitor66> it is open
08:47:39 <ynpvisitor76> I have a public school education. It was before they started teaching if it makes you feel good, it is correct however.
08:48:22 <ynpvisitor76> I heard there was red, so beet could fit.
08:50:27 <ynpvisitor76> Kevin can at least take down his knights banner over the chicken coop. That will make his hoa feel better.
08:50:32 <Kevin L™> I think it is a commie plot 76!
08:50:58 <ynpvisitor76> Swamp draining resistance.
08:51:37 <ynpvisitor76> I did not even know Seattle had a hockey team for 44 years
08:52:27 <Eric> Portland has had a hockey team forever too...the Winterhawks!
08:52:45 <Eric> Just not NHL...still fun to watch
08:52:56 <Dave from B™> Yep..Billings Bighorns used to play them in the 80s
08:53:00 <ynpvisitor76> They do not count, being only a farm team
08:53:39 <Kevin L™> Vegas had a minor league hockey team called the Wranglers but they went under about 3 years ago. Who would have thought an NHL team would have been such a success?
08:54:11 <ynpvisitor76> So at risk of being tossed out, is Giant over its tantrum?
08:54:28 <Eric> Apparently the franchise came from Edmonton (1951-1976) The Oil Kings :-P
08:54:56 <Dave from B™> What do you mean 76?
08:54:57 <Eric> Apparently not eruption yet
08:55:29 <Eric> Apparently I use that word a lot :-P
08:55:50 <ynpvisitor76> I figured it is over due.
08:56:34 <Kevin L™> I think the Knights had the same problem that UNLV did once. They all said Final 4. Got to the Final 4 and got beat. Next time they said Championship or bust. Beat Duke 103-76.
08:56:55 <ynpvisitor76> as in end of series.
08:57:59 <ynpvisitor76> It is all that world cup bribery scandal. The fix was in.
08:58:35 <Dave from B™> Giant is not done for 2018
08:59:16 <ynpvisitor76> So we can count on it going while you are setting at Steamboat?
08:59:16 <Kevin L™> I know there are some sports books in Vegas that are feeling better. I am sure the caps had high odds, but I doubt they had as many bets.
08:59:39 <Dave from B™> I'll go for that because if I
08:59:57 <ynpvisitor76> The books always balance.
08:59:58 <Dave from B™> 'm sitting at Steamboat that means I didn't miss Steamboat
09:00:25 <Kevin L™> They try 76. It doesn't always work!
09:00:42 <ynpvisitor76> I will not mention getting back to cut fish.
09:02:03 <Eric> Will be interesting to watch if water levels on the Firehole bring giant back to a better interval -
09:02:09 <Eric> The river is still pretty high
09:03:26 <Kevin L™> I think Dave should just wait it out. Taylor can run the shop. Just sit there until it goes.
09:04:04 <Dave from B™> 76, my trip starting Monday is an open ended trip.
09:04:26 <ynpvisitor76> I thought Taylor was going with him?
09:04:32 <Eric> very cool dave
09:04:37 <Dave from B™> Even though my car is in an campground, this is no camping trip
09:05:03 <ynpvisitor76> Madison, or Norris?
09:05:06 <Kevin L™> I think Becca is going with him.
09:05:12 <Dave from B™> If I have a few soles willing to stay out for the evening who are slower than me, I'll be there for the duration
09:05:39 <Kevin L™> You bringing extra shoes Dave?
09:05:47 <ynpvisitor76> Your snoring should scare the bears away.
09:05:48 <Dave from B™> Norris with Becca. Taylor and Parker are not geyser fans
09:06:07 <Kevin L™> Only in Vegas:
09:06:20 <Dave from B™> Yes, extrashoes
09:07:13 <Eric> There weather is looking good dave, but will be in the 20s at night, so bring thermal suits
09:07:13 <ynpvisitor36> Sad, but still funny :)
09:07:35 <Eric> I call it a thermal body glove ;-)
09:07:53 <ynpvisitor76> The odds on a slot at 7-11 have to be great?
09:08:28 <Dave from B™> 20s...brrrr
09:08:58 <Dave from B™> Still thinking of logistics for clothing. Bikes and packs kind of limit carrying capacity
09:09:36 <Eric> if you have backpacking sleeping bags, they could help you stay warm.
09:10:28 <Eric> Get one of these to would look AWESOME -
09:11:36 <Dave from B™> :D...I bet no one would sit next to me
09:12:26 <Dave from B™> In the dark, I would love to be down at steerage but I think I feel safer on the middle platform
09:12:30 <Eric> These would keep you warm:
09:13:01 <Dave from B™> I hvae a carhart at work
09:13:28 <Kevin L™> Get them in olive green and bring a yellow hard hat. They will think you are a park employee.
09:14:14 <Eric> wear and orange vest nobody would question were you go :-D
09:14:40 <Eric> Wow...the lava fountain is really tall this morning
09:14:57 <Eric> I think it's going to form an entirely new island....
09:15:14 <ynpvisitor76> One of these will keep you warm.
09:15:18 <Kevin L™> First hurricane in the Pacific. A strong cat 4 already.
09:15:57 <ynpvisitor76> I thought they did not have Hurricanes in the pacific?
09:16:45 <Kevin L™> They do. Once they cross a line somewhere they become typhoons.
09:16:59 <Dave from B™> Int'l Date line?
09:17:14 <Eric> Nice 76...this might be better for yellowstone though:
09:18:04 <ynpvisitor23> you culd sleep on the BW in that :)
09:18:32 <Eric> Everyone would have to stay 25 yards back :-P
09:18:59 <ynpvisitor76> Only good for Fountain.
09:19:08 <Eric> I have never seen a bison in norris
09:19:24 <Eric> OF
09:19:56 <ynpvisitor76> I have never seen OF in norris either.
09:20:05 <Dave from B™> I haven't look at last 2 links but I figured a bear suit was there somewhere
09:20:13 <ynpvisitor23> it would be a first
09:20:19 <ynpvisitor76> Well enjoy Lion.
09:20:42 <Eric> I heard they are thinking of renaming steamboat into the new improved old faithful :-P
09:20:58 <Eric> Bigger boardwalks with stadium seating
09:21:31 <Kevin L™> Hard to imagine temps in the 20's when it is already 94° here now.
09:23:55 <Eric> New administration...time for new thinking!
09:25:23 <Kevin L™> Maybe there will be better cell service?
09:27:45 <Dave from B™> It sure would be nice to have a little cell service in Norris
09:28:33 <Kevin L™> Maybe a Norris cam?
09:29:19 <Dave from B™> That would be great....time to work on a portable model. Keep at Steamboat until it goes dormant, then move it to porcelain basin
09:29:52 <Rice> More Cams in UGB, would be nice also.
09:31:16 <Dave from B™> My first vote would still be for Fountain overlook
09:31:53 <Eric> Here is a good article about Sholly -
09:31:59 <Eric> his history
09:35:27 <Eric> Anyone know the history of yosemite shuttle system? when did it start?
09:35:32 <Betty> morning all
09:35:41 <Eric> Curious how much Sholly was influenced by it
09:35:44 <Eric> Morning Betty
09:35:52 <Betty> hi Eric
09:36:04 <Eric> Also Sholly was a ranger for 12 years at Yellowstone I believe
09:36:44 <Dave from B™> Didn't he write a book or two about being a ranger in YNP?
09:38:07 <Betty> what´s that sign for?
09:38:17 <Betty> be bear aware?
09:38:19 <Dave from B™> Kevin's Most Wanted picture
09:38:32 <Dave from B™> Junior ranger Program daily schedule
09:38:36 <Betty> A photo of Aurum?
09:39:09 <Betty> you mean Senior ranger program
09:39:40 <Betty> ah, thx :-)
09:40:34 <Eric> ohhh, interesting....Cameron Sholly I believe is Dan Sholly's son
09:40:52 <Eric> Dan Sholly has written a couple books, he was the lead ranger during the 1988 fires
09:41:00 <Dave from B™> Now, it's becoming clearer. Thanks, Eric
09:43:58 <Eric> Wow...and Dan Sholly's father was a career ranger too!
09:44:06 <Eric> 3 generations of career NPS rangers
09:45:11 <Dave from B™> It's hard to argue with that. I sure hope he still manages to put in a shuttle system of some sort
09:45:13 <Eric> Found this 1985 article about Dan Sholly becoming head ranger and his history:
09:46:14 <Kevin L™> 88 fires were not a lot of fun. It was pretty smoky.
09:51:46 <Betty> it is like in Dave´s business: 3 generations of career fish mongers
09:55:46 <ynpvisitor23> I was in the canoe on Lewis Lake fishing while the fires were weight raging on the west side, we were staying in Grant Village campground and had to evacuate the following morning
09:56:50 <ynpvisitor23> weight= were^
09:56:54 <Kevin L™> I remember smoke alarms going off in the OF Lodge cabins.
10:01:37 <ynpvisitor23> In the latest Kilauea picture the power plant looks mostly intact, I wonder how long that will last
10:02:03 <Betty> evening DG
10:02:14 <ynpvisitor999®> evening Betty, afternoon all
10:02:43 <Kevin L™> Still mourning for me.
10:03:06 <ynpvisitor23> :)
10:04:12 <Dave from B™> 23, I had to evacuate my ranger friend's wife that same day from Grant
10:04:23 <Eric> hard to tell 23, stuff shifts around there a lot
10:05:44 <Rice> They have not put out a new map since Wednesday, I was enjoying those every day.
10:06:05 <ynpvisitor999®> probably not much changed since the most recent map
10:07:30 <Betty> hi Joe
10:07:50 <Joe´> Hi Betty and all others
10:08:00 <Eric> Lava has been pouring out like crazy DG...I bet that map has extensive push into the ocean
10:08:06 <ynpvisitor999®> hi Joe
10:08:18 <Eric> I am eagerly awaiting too Rice
10:09:07 <Rice> I am wondering how far into the ocean it has pushed.
10:10:06 <Rice> I wonder if you owned ocean front property, and the ocean is now 500ft farther out, do you own that now?
10:10:24 <Rice> Deed prbably says to waters edge.
10:10:43 <Eric> I would doubt that as I believe hawaii is like oregon & washington, you don't own the beach
10:10:44 <ynpvisitor999®> Daisy
10:11:31 <Betty> that is an evil lag here
10:13:10 <Rice> ERIC, probalby right.
10:13:19 <Betty> why am I on HLS?? I usually have the other stream type. How can I change it?
10:13:38 <ynpvisitor999®> enable Flash I think
10:13:49 <Rice> But it is still an interesting thought about ownership, of covered land, and new land?
10:15:26 <Joe´> surveyers there are going to make lots of money
10:17:12 <Eric> I believe it will become property of the state and not really be usable for a very long time.
10:17:32 <Eric> One thing I was reading was those lava flows are very unstable due to them sitting on sand.
10:19:45 <Kevin L™> In most states they have a provision about land bordering water that changes. If a body of water is considered the land border and more land comes up then it belongs to the property owner.
10:20:02 <Joe´> If it becomes property of the state, does the state have to compensate the people for the land?
10:20:24 <ynpvisitor999®> interesting, Kevin
10:21:26 <Eric> “‘New’ land belongs to the state, such as land formed by cooling and therefore hardening lava spilling into the ocean,” David Callies, a law professor at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who specializes in land use, told me in an email. These areas are called “lava extensions,” and were central to a 1977 Hawaii Supreme Court case in which Big Island residents Maurice and Molly Zimrin
10:21:57 <Eric> sued the state over 7.9 acres of new land formed by a 1955 Kilauea eruption.
10:22:55 <Eric> This is a little different than water changing....this is new land being created :-D
10:25:42 <Kevin L™> Looks like Hawaii has a bit different law than most states. I know most of the shoreline in california belongs to the state so it isn't an issue there. I know we had to deal with a couple cases where a river changed course and was in the legal description as the property line. I think it was called the meandering waters law.
10:26:56 <Joe´> In the Kilauea picture, all those things that used to be green are now brown, apparently they don't like the quality of the air.
10:27:41 <Kevin L™> Or the heat.
10:30:43 <Eric> It's the acidic rain and vog that is killing these plants
10:30:56 <Eric> They love heat and wet
10:31:16 <Eric> If this keeps up, that vegetation will all burn
10:41:46 <ynpvisitor999®> GHP bathtub w/SW vents on full 1123
10:44:10 <Joe´> I see James StJohn is now at Giant area also
10:45:18 <ynpvisitor999®> looks like there's a decent chance for the next Giant to be a north function
10:46:38 <ynpvisitor83> Is the volcano putting enough stuff into the upper atmosphere to impact climate?
10:47:38 <ynpvisitor999®> if you mean Kilauea, I don't think so. Plumes seem to reach at max 10 000 ft. ASL, not enough to get up in the higher layers of the atmophere
10:47:43 <ynpvisitor999®> atmosphere*
10:48:27 <ynpvisitor999®> and even if so, the frequency and amount of stuff injected is nowhere near enough to cause significant changes
10:49:02 <ynpvisitor83> Thanks 999
10:50:02 <ynpvisitor999®> though if you want to be sure, ask USGS if they are around here, as they have more authority than me :)
10:54:38 <Joe´> I take all of the theories, and other knowledgeable people with a grain of salt, remember how many after the fires of 1988 predicted that nothing would ever come back again, they were all wrong, but they theorized about it for years, and now that it's all green and growing again they're nowhere to be found.
10:55:22 <Jimbo Chromium> Correct, 999. It's a very small amount of emissions, and it isn't reaching the stratosphere.
10:56:50 <Joe´> theories=theroists*
10:57:03 <Jimbo Chromium> The eruption of Ambae in Vanuatu in April (which is still ongoing) released a lot more SO2. They had to evacuate the entire island the volcano is on, too - about 11,000 people.
10:58:12 <Jimbo Chromium> Checked on that - they had announced the evacuations, but permanent evacuations are still under consideration.
10:59:02 <Eric> never is a very long time!
10:59:56 <Jake> Eric, when I come to this page after having closed it for awhile, I don't see any chat messages or people's names until someone posts something
10:59:58 <Eric> apparently the emissions from the fountain were pretty strong last night....warning for the center part of the island.
11:00:13 <Eric> Strange
11:00:16 <Eric> What browser
11:00:23 <Jake> Chrome
11:00:37 <Jake> I wondered if it had to do with the mobile chat, that's when it started
11:00:46 <Betty> OF
11:01:11 <Jake> it's not a big deal, just different
11:01:25 <Jake> don't get me wrong, OF is a big deal
11:02:07 <Eric> It's probably a session/cookie issue on your part Jake...try with an incognito page
11:02:40 <Eric> I know I have had data stuck locally that really makes the chat do weird things.
11:02:41 <ynpvisitor116> incognito works
11:02:57 <Eric> cool...clear you data/session for the page and refresh
11:03:33 <Eric> or just try /quit /connect jake
11:04:01 <Eric> Might be enough to fix it
11:04:23 <ynpvisitor84> thanks, I am reborn
11:04:45 <ynpvisitor84> but my former self remains
11:04:45 <Eric> Jake2 :-D
11:05:04 <Eric> Yes /quit before you leave is helpful
11:06:01 <Eric> Anyone know how that house with rusty the rooster faired with the new lava flow?
11:13:38 <Betty>
11:13:48 <Betty> Rusty cam
11:15:47 <Eric> Yep...but that is a few weeks old :-D
11:15:47 <Betty> Rusty sounds croaky
11:16:22 <Eric> I think they evacuated that house at some point
11:19:29 <Kevin L™> Last I heard the house was fine but they left since utilities were down and the only exit road was being covered by lava.
11:22:24 <Betty> oh, did not see it is not live anymore
11:28:51 <Jimbo Chromium> They would have gotten tons of view if someone had deployed a streaming Webcam on the pole that has the static Webcam, given the way the eruption has evolved. And it's still got power.
11:37:44 <Jimbo Chromium> Should note that I meant the camera tower has power. The eruption obviously does, too.
11:38:57 <Kevin L™> Probably one of the government things that would require many permissions.
11:39:12 <Betty> aurum
11:39:13 <Betty> .
11:39:13 <Betty> .
11:39:14 <Betty> .
11:40:13 <Betty> fun
11:40:15 <Kevin L™> It thought I was gone.
11:40:28 <Joe´> I am too slow
11:40:38 <Betty> kitt got it
11:43:02 <Joe´> I saw it on my recording, but I am not permitted to post it :)
12:18:28 <ynpvisitor34> Time for an early BH
12:23:39 <ynpvisitor34> The Caps won the cup! What is next, the Generals beating the Globe Trotters?
12:24:16 <Betty> poor Kevin
12:26:07 <Kevin L™> We had a great season. For an expansion team I would have been happy with a winning season. They did play lousy in the final series but all in all they were wonderful. Gee they even won a game in the finals. I understand it took another team 44 years to do that!
12:26:46 <Betty> glad you´re still happy with that
12:26:53 <Jimbo Chromium> They get a banner and a trophy for their first year. Caps won 8 games their first year!
12:27:20 <Kevin L™> I think we did that the first two weeks
12:27:28 <Dave from B™> Jimbo is happy now!
12:27:34 <Jimbo Chromium> I know, the team was unprecedented
12:28:02 <Jimbo Chromium> If you think I'm happy, you should see my son. Ordered 6 t-shirts last night.
12:28:23 <Kevin L™> It would have been nice, but they just did not play like champions at the end. Had they played like they did all year I think they would have won it.
12:28:37 <Dave from B™> :D What day of the week is he going to wear something else?
12:28:49 <Jimbo Chromium> "The Save" made a huge difference
12:29:06 <Jimbo Chromium> On the 7th day he will wear an Ovechkin jersey
12:29:11 <Kevin L™> I am just glad it was another hungry team and not one who already has 12 championships.
12:29:30 <Kevin L™> That would be called a target in Vegas!
12:29:33 <Jimbo Chromium> Yes, we were so happy not to see polar waterfowl involved
12:29:43 <Dave from B™> If we don't let a team from Canada win soon they may stop playing with us
12:30:01 <Kevin L™> We do stand for their National Anthem Dave.
12:30:19 <Jimbo Chromium> Winnipeg is young and good. Patrik Laine will get even better.
12:30:19 <Betty> Kevin, you can imagine how our Ntl Team to play the final at the Olympics
12:30:24 <Kevin L™> And we have a Canadian flag at T-Mobile.
12:30:48 <Dave from B™> We have a Canadian flag at our baseball stadium as well
12:30:52 <Jimbo Chromium> Buffalo is about to add a generational talent, and they already have Eichel.
12:31:13 <Kevin L™> It is always fun Betty.
12:31:46 <Jimbo Chromium> Do you believe the World Cup starts in 8 days???
12:31:52 <Betty> felt * was missing :-p
12:32:26 <Jimbo Chromium> Argentina lost a midfielder in training to an ACL tear
12:32:28 <Dave from B™> I'm ready to watch but sad we're not there
12:33:05 <Betty> yes, bummer Dave
12:33:16 <Jimbo Chromium> My daughter is backing Belgium (likes Eden Hazard)
12:33:29 <Kevin L™> And CFL starts next week.
12:33:36 <Kevin L™> Go Stampeders!
12:33:46 <Jimbo Chromium> Who is Manziel playing for?
12:34:31 <Jimbo Chromium> Googled - he's playing for Hamilton Tiger-Cats
12:35:11 <ynpvisitor34> I thought they canceled the world cup for lack of honest officials.
12:35:17 <Jimbo Chromium> I've got a sentimental favorite in the French Open women's final tomorrow, Simona Halep
12:35:53 <Jimbo Chromium> Putin has assured us that the officiating will be fair :p:p:p
12:36:28 <Kevin L™> If you can't bribe them, drug them!
12:37:39 <Jimbo Chromium> So many sports, so little money
12:38:14 <Dave from B™> Not sure who I'm rooting for but I do want Messi to do well
12:39:38 <Jimbo Chromium> World Cup is tougher than Stanley - at least for the Stanley there's a shot at it every year
12:40:05 <Jimbo Chromium> Plus, the team has to "gel" pretty fast, too.
12:40:15 <Kevin L™> One that I am happy they are showing again is flat track motorcycle racing. That has always been a favorite. Much better than the crap where someone flies a bike while standing on its seat.
12:41:34 <Jimbo Chromium> Did you see the video of a flat track race where a rider went right over another bike that had slid out, and didn't go down himself?
12:41:44 <Betty> LC ie
12:42:27 <Kevin L™> Yes. Pretty amazing.
12:42:34 <ynpvisitor34> Lions indy!
12:43:19 <ynpvisitor40> I wonder if the sandwich board is warning of Tara's bear?
12:43:51 <Betty> no, junior ranger program scedule
12:44:18 <ynpvisitor40> I prefer bears :(
12:44:36 <Betty> where are they looking at???
12:44:47 <ynpvisitor34> Kids can be just as troublesome.
12:44:52 <Betty> ranger is there too
12:44:57 <ynpvisitor40> :)
12:45:31 <Betty> maybe something wild
12:46:19 <Betty> can we have a look to the left?
12:47:24 <ynpvisitor34> Making progress on the boardwalk?
12:48:03 <Betty> maybe more left
12:48:42 <Kevin L™> Dead trees?
12:48:45 <Betty> that ranger is upset a bit
12:48:55 <Betty> no, bison
12:48:59 <Kevin L™> doggie
12:49:00 <ynpvisitor40> Bison
12:49:11 <sparekitty> good reason to be upset. stupid peopel
12:49:18 <sparekitty> oops can't type
12:49:20 <Betty> true
12:50:02 <Betty> true to stupid people, not to you cannot type :-)
12:50:23 <ynpvisitor34> Bad spot to put a bison. They should know better.
12:50:29 <sparekitty> lol 34
12:51:48 <Betty> Daisy ie
12:53:17 <Betty> Sprinkler ie
12:58:10 <Betty> :grand:
12:58:25 <ynpvisitor34> Early
13:01:14 <Betty> nice spikes
13:07:07 <Joe´> 10 min
13:09:05 <ynpvisitor84> and not a minute more.
13:09:51 <ynpvisitor34> Well BH will have to do with out me.
13:10:22 <Dave from B™> 34, I'm not sure it will erupt if you leave...please stick around
13:16:17 <Eric> queue BH
13:16:29 <Eric> cue beehive :-P
13:16:43 <Eric> haha...I do too much programming :-P
13:17:59 <Dave from B™> Eric, anything fun planned for the weekend?
13:18:43 <Eric> lion
13:19:18 <ynpvisitor84> your cue-ing overshot!
13:19:33 <Joe´> Good goEric
13:19:51 <Eric> I have 2 graduation parties, some RPG playing and relaxing to do :-D
13:20:28 <Dave from B™> sounds like fun
13:20:46 <Eric> How about you Dave....preping for your long Monday?
13:21:29 <Dave from B™> Hoping to get some rest but having a couple over tonight for dinner and an evening by the fire pit and tomorrow is poker night
13:21:49 <Eric> ahhh, another night of losing money :-P
13:22:10 <Eric> cheaper than going to the movies still.
13:22:38 <Eric> I like evenings by the fire...relaxing
13:22:57 <Dave from B™> Yep. It's been fun. Great bonding with my son. In 3 events, we haven't been at the same table except for 5 minutes. So, he's been trash talking a lot:)
13:23:09 <ynpvisitor42> is Kevin taking us out with his CAPS winnings?
13:23:18 <Dave from B™> Yep....fireside drinking is the best
13:23:26 <ynpvisitor84> LC
13:23:57 <Eric> Every lion has been reported by someone different today.
13:42:21 <Eric> looks like Giant is on the cycle that we were on over the weekend...the odd hour bathtub cycle :-P
13:42:34 <Eric> 11, 1, 3
13:43:27 <Eric> I bet at 17:00 they have another one and then 19:00 they have a hot period.
13:44:18 <ynpvisitor42> one pause after you leave?
13:45:42 <LETS GO NATS> doesnt have the same ring to it
13:51:57 <Joe> See you on the other side of the camera, time to finish loading the car.
13:52:17 <LETS GO NATS> good luck Joe. take cleaning supplies or a tarp
13:53:17 <Jimbo Chromium> Wait 'til the playoffs
13:53:36 <Eric> Bye Joe
13:54:01 <Betty> have fun Joe
13:59:45 <Dave from B™> Darn...missed joe
14:01:23 <Dave from B™> I'm going to stay away from Micah tomorrow and Sunday so I don't find myself in Norris over the weekend:D
14:01:39 <Dave from B™> You know I'm only kidding, Micah
14:02:47 <Eric> Not sure why you listened to him anyway...he had never seen it before :-P
14:03:10 <Eric> Now if he was giving advice to see anemone...take it :-D
14:03:55 <Dave from B™> I trusted his sources
14:06:58 <Eric> hopefully that wasn't ryan :-P
14:07:36 <Dave from B™> C'mon...I'm trying to protect the guilty
14:09:31 <Dave from B™> Time to head out. Have a great evening everyone! I will be back in the office in the morning
14:10:09 <Betty> see ya Dave
14:17:26 <Betty> last OF is not posted? anyone has a time
14:17:30 <Betty> ?
14:26:59 <ynpvisitor104> You are pressing your luck Graham.
14:50:01 <Betty> Lion was one and done?
14:51:07 <Betty> Lion :-p
14:51:22 <Betty> it heard me :-)
14:53:13 <Bill> I have a favor to ask of this group! After the next Steamboat eruption, I would really like to take a bunch of pictures around Cistern. We can put them all together and create a 3d model from pictures.
14:53:37 <Bill> If you hear that Cistern is empty could you please let me know either on here, or at
14:53:51 <Bill> I would REALLY appreciate it, and it would make for some great science!
14:56:10 <ynpvisitor108> They have not hazed the bison out yet?
14:56:32 <Joe´> Car is loaded, Now this excruciating wait until morning...
14:56:53 <ynpvisitor108> DId you wax it?
14:57:46 <Joe´> have a tarp and plenty of magnets to hold it down
14:58:31 <ynpvisitor108> Going to hide under it when you sleep in the parking lot?
14:58:48 <Joe´> Bill if I hear or see Cistern empty I'll let you know
14:59:25 <Joe´> Good idea! perfect.
15:03:27 <Bill> Thanks Joe!
15:11:24 <ynpvisitor40> It's just not ready to play yet
15:12:23 <Joe´> Dome is so 'dirty' it is hard to see small things sa the sun drops in the west
15:13:14 <ynpvisitor40> Left side of the dome isn't bad. We had pretty good views of the bison this afternoon.
15:13:46 <Joe´> yes that part seemed clear
15:15:47 <ynpvisitor40> The dome ought to be cleanable. I don't thing the spray fuses to plastic like it does to glass.
15:16:59 <Joe´> They tried to clean it Monday morning, it had no improvement :(
15:18:21 <ynpvisitor40> If the cam was only more accessible :(
15:19:05 <Joe´> I don't know if they used a cleaning soultion but they rubbed it quite a bit
15:19:58 <ynpvisitor108> Like on top of the lodge? Not a very good shot of OF from there.
15:20:04 <Joe´> 30' off the ground, trying to use a cleaning pole is not easy
15:20:21 <ynpvisitor40> I hope they have something in mind. It's a good cam and can produce a very good image.
15:20:57 <ynpvisitor40> Or at least a better image than we are getting now.
15:21:52 <Joe´> Yes that camera retails at about $2500.00 without the dome
15:30:45 <ynpvisitor40> A long, but Fluffy didn't have its heart in that eruption
15:32:29 <ynpvisitor108> Daisy
15:50:28 <Eric> Kilauea maps finally updated:
15:53:34 <Joe´> wiped out vacation land the bay and many other places
16:24:47 <Kevin L™> bhi
16:24:52 <Kevin L™> ie
16:24:57 <Kevin L™> .
16:24:58 <Kevin L™> .
16:29:49 <ynpvisitor23> BH
16:30:11 <Kevin L™> slow starter
16:30:12 <Micah> Boy I'm on a delay
16:30:34 <ynpvisitor23> well you know it is coming
16:30:38 <Micah> There it is.
16:30:52 <Micah> Ryan says they had rainbows on the boardwalk.
16:31:13 <ynpvisitor23> when? You are talking to him now, waiting?
16:31:50 <Micah> I texted him just a moment ago.
16:33:23 <ynpvisitor23> how long is Will staying for?
16:34:12 <ynpvisitor23> not the tallest BH yet very nice
16:40:30 <Joe´> Now back to last minute things, before leaving for Yellowstone :)
16:41:47 <ynpvisitor23> have fun Joe. Good luck with Steamboat
16:42:15 <Kevin L™> Stay warm.
16:42:20 <Joe´> I hope we get an evening steamboat report
16:42:26 <ynpvisitor23> pack your patience, both for the geyser and the bison jams
16:42:43 <ynpvisitor23> you want it to go before you go?
16:42:44 <Joe´> Thanks Kevin and 23
16:43:19 <Joe´> No just a status report
16:43:35 <ynpvisitor23> oh, that might be coming, yet otherwise tomorrow morning
17:07:58 <kcmule> congrats on the season KL. will be interesting to see if it was lightning in a bottle or if they can do it 2 yrs in a row
17:25:39 <Kevin L™> It was a fun time kc. Just wish they would have finished on their A game. I think they should do fine next year. Got a bit of experience under their belt. Can't complain for an expansion team.
18:08:54 <Craig> Good evening all
18:15:47 <kcmule> daisy ie
18:16:08 <Craig> plate?