Showing logs for date: 2018-09-18
23:04:53 <ynpvisitor85> Three fuzzy dots above Fluffy, handle of the Big Dipper? I am hoping we may soon be able to see the moon at night. Might be too bright for the cam on dark mode.
04:36:10 <ynpvisitor999®> Graham's favorite geyser has started its series :)
04:37:59 <ynpvisitor999®> morning Betty
04:38:02 <Betty> You mean Dome?
04:38:06 <ynpvisitor999®> yep
04:38:22 <Betty> Afternoon DG
04:38:42 <ynpvisitor38> he always says Bijou is his fave :)
04:39:27 <Betty> I think they race:-)
04:43:01 <ynpvisitor999®> NG
04:44:34 <ynpvisitor999®> that looked promising over at Lion
04:48:41 <ynpvisitor999®> actually, may have been Bee steam instead
04:49:37 <ynpvisitor999®> Daisy
04:49:49 <ynpvisitor999®> or not
04:50:19 <ynpvisitor999®> Aurum?
04:59:30 <ynpvisitor999®> NG
05:15:52 <ynpvisitor999®> NG
05:38:56 <ynpvisitor85> Bhi?
05:41:04 <Joe> no
05:43:51 <ynpvisitor16> USGS Yellowstone Lake has a gorgeous view this morning
05:48:35 <ynpvisitor77> NG
05:48:41 <Joe> NG
06:07:53 <Joe> .
06:07:54 <Joe> .
06:07:55 <Joe> .
06:07:56 <Joe> .
06:11:00 <ynpvisitor999®> :bee:
06:11:29 <ynpvisitor16> Bees in the mist
06:11:46 <ynpvisitor66> Nice
06:12:06 <ynpvisitor105> ohh, just in time
06:29:09 <Joe> Grand
06:35:32 <ynpvisitor103> has NG been missed or is it finally over the series?
06:40:05 <ynpvisitor103> guess that answered my question.
06:40:23 <Joe> NG is now upto date
06:41:00 <ynpvisitor103> thanks Joe
06:41:34 <Joe> yw had to play cacth up
06:43:11 <ynpvisitor38> record breaking Steamboat yesterday
06:43:40 <ynpvisitor103> how so?
06:45:32 <ynpvisitor38> Stops and restarts and a 75 min duration - wow
06:46:23 <ynpvisitor103> yes, amazing.
06:46:35 <Bill> Interesting!
06:46:43 <ynpvisitor103> wonder, what next.
06:47:31 <Joe> Daisy
06:53:35 <ynpvisitor85> 2018 continues to be a very good year
06:54:20 <Joe> NG
06:58:07 <ynpvisitor38> I wonder if it used up all the water we might see on the 2nd day in the mixed phase, as earlier this year. Can't wait to read reports today
06:59:56 <Joe> All the gazers must be sitting at Giant
07:01:05 <ynpvisitor999®> I think some of them have a day off of gazing the biggies, while others are at Morning
07:02:13 <ynpvisitor999®> yesterday was the day of the biggies - F&M in the early morning, SB mid-morning and Giant late afternoon
07:03:27 <ynpvisitor999®> fluffy
07:03:55 <ynpvisitor999®> post-Grand restart for Vent and Turban?
07:04:55 <Jimbo Dubnium> If Giant erupted yesterday why would they be sitting there today?
07:06:04 <ynpvisitor999®> it's easy to scroll past Giant - had to look twice myself to be sure I saw 'Giant' rather than 'Grand'
07:06:08 <Joe> I missed that entry :(
07:07:16 <ynpvisitor999®> though the 1655 major GHP gave it away quite quickly something had happened over there
07:10:58 <Joe> NG
07:11:03 <Kevin L™> ng
07:11:34 <ynpvisitor999®> on the topic of Steamboat using up all its water during the 1h15m eruption, I think there's (for now) still an excess of heat for it to enter its famous steam phase. Though I do think that excess is getting smaller and smaller if it keeps doing increasingly longer water phase eruptions, with, as a result, an excess of water rather than heat. If that becomes the case, it will just be water phase...
07:11:42 <ynpvisitor999®> ...and done
07:26:22 <Eric> morning
07:26:34 <ynpvisitor999®> morning Eric
07:26:53 <Kevin L™> Hi
07:28:32 <Eric> is that pump with the huge steam back there?
07:29:18 <ynpvisitor999®> could be
07:29:46 <Eric> seems wide
07:29:54 <ynpvisitor999®> Doublet is situated around there too, though
07:30:30 <Joe> Eric, thanks for the info yesterday, it worked great!
07:30:39 <Eric> awesome
07:31:02 <Rice> So what is the current thoughts, on why things have gone nuts in the UGB?
07:31:03 <ynpvisitor38> ynpvisitor999®, interesting. In the past there were some Ledge eruptions that had a 24h steam phase, while other times it would just ...quit. Hadn't thought about the "why" though
07:36:54 <ynpvisitor999®> as to why the UGB has gone nuts - that of Giant was a thing to come sooner or later, Link and its group was maybe a bit unexpected and that of the Geyser Hill may also have been a thing in the making since at least 2015, based on notes on Ear Spring
07:38:26 <Joe> NG
07:39:15 <Rice> Is it things like, Extra heat, More water or Less water, all the above, other?
07:40:11 <ynpvisitor999®> the later of changes went quite unnoticed until maybe 2017/2018. I didn't expect that third to be affected to this extend, though. I initially viewed it as a relatively isolated incident in the Ear Spring system (that is, Ear Spring itself and Pendant Spring), but that has definitely changed now :)
07:43:12 <ynpvisitor999®> I think this 'Geyser Hill disturbance' was caused by exchange of function, not sure what geysers specifically though, but definitely what seems to be from Sponge and Pump to some other geyser, notably Doublet and NG (possibly Aurum initially, too)
07:43:51 <ynpvisitor38> events like these make a good case for keeping up with the "ordinary" posts about lesser features
07:43:52 <ynpvisitor999®> oh, and don't forget from Lion to NG in there
07:44:17 <ynpvisitor999®> indeed they do, 38
07:47:39 <ynpvisitor38> I think I read someone in here griping about some of those posts recently, but then if something changes, we have a baseline
07:48:13 <ynpvisitor103> I have no clue what causes the changes but big changes on GH are very common.
07:48:44 <Kevin L™> Too much info is better than not enough
07:50:30 <ynpvisitor39> No such thing as too much ACCURATE info in the primary database.
07:50:42 <ynpvisitor38> and with GT we have more eyes - not just looking back thru our own books or photos
07:51:17 <ynpvisitor39> It would be interesting if the USGS placed heat-flow monitors around the basin so these movements in energy could be watched appart from thermal eruption changes.
07:52:04 <ynpvisitor103> a few years ago Lion and Depression changed (big time) at the same time. Not saying they are connected.
07:53:50 <ynpvisitor39> I wonder about violent stuff like the blowout at Ear modifying the underlying plumbing. I really don't want Lion to start hanging out with Plume in the basement :(
07:55:19 <Eric> I swear I read something like this NG series happened previously and it took Lion a few weeks to recover, but I cannot find the dang source now :-(
07:55:52 <ynpvisitor39> I suspect Graham will know
07:55:59 <ynpvisitor103> I wonder if the trash in Ear Springs caused it to "over" heat.
07:56:36 <Kevin L™> It had to have some effect
07:57:33 <ynpvisitor103> had to effect the water flow. my guess.
07:58:31 <ynpvisitor39> Old trash. Cinder blocks haven't been used on the Hill for decades. Most of what came out was chunks of plumbing and was left in place for people to see.
07:59:07 <ynpvisitor38> hate to say it, but this time of year is when employees who are leaving do harmful/stupid things to features
07:59:42 <Bill> Pesky employees
08:00:27 <ynpvisitor39> I seriously it is NPS peeps doing stupid stuff :)
08:00:34 <ynpvisitor39> doubt
08:02:22 <ynpvisitor103> but 39, the cam did catch some taking a whiz in OF. :p
08:02:30 <Bill> Currently there's about 5 people in the park (other than those who build the boardwalks) who can go off boardwalk legally. 4 of those 5 are in the geology dept, and the other is in permitting. There shouldn't be anyone else messing with features.
08:02:45 <ynpvisitor103> not that that would stop it up.
08:03:25 <ynpvisitor39> I doubt the flasher was NPS :)
08:03:27 <ynpvisitor38> I didn't say NPS employees - in the past it was 'other'
08:03:58 <ynpvisitor39> Not those legally off the boardwalks that are a problem.
08:04:50 <ynpvisitor39> 38 my comment was in relation to Bill's not yours. I was not questioning.
08:04:51 <Bill> I think the last person to get hurt in a feature was a Xantera employee if i remember correctly
08:06:09 <Kevin L™> They seem to do that a lot.
08:06:35 <Eric> With how much change ejected from ear spring, it could have been someones coin flip that sent it over the edge.
08:08:38 <ynpvisitor39> Coins were very degraded, especially the bi-metal ones. Many would crumble as the were picked up. Coins continued to be ejected even after the initial eruption. Every series of belches would produce a few more.
08:08:57 <Bill> I need to get down there this week!
08:09:07 <Jimbo Dubnium> Wht
08:09:29 <Kent> Didn't notice I was still a number.
08:09:38 <Jimbo Dubnium> Ooops - what's the general pH of UGB features? Anyone know?
08:09:47 <Jimbo Dubnium> Probably get some sulfide reactions on the coins
08:09:58 <Eric> haha...a general pH?
08:10:11 <ynpvisitor38> series of belches, haha
08:10:25 <Jimbo Dubnium> Well, Norris waters are characterized as acidic. Wondered about UGB.
08:10:37 <Eric> ohh, of UGB specific features. I guess they could be close.
08:10:43 <Eric> That makes sense
08:10:52 <Kevin L™> NG
08:10:56 <Bill> on sec Jimbo
08:11:18 <Eric> I know norris has some serious "death pools"
08:11:34 <Eric> wouldn't even want to dip my fingers in them.
08:11:36 <Bill> Overall it's classified as "neutral to high chloride"
08:11:38 <Jimbo Dubnium> Looking at Rowe Fournier and Morey 1973
08:11:46 <Bill> if you give me some specific ones i can give you numbers
08:11:59 <Kent> Ear?
08:12:19 <Jimbo Dubnium> Take it back, Norris is alkaline
08:12:48 <Bill> we finished mapping almost 900 features in NGB this year
08:13:06 <Bill> i'm going to push to get the inventory available publicly.
08:13:23 <Kevin L™> Nice. Thanks Bill.
08:14:11 <Eric> I heard you had some great volunteer help :-D
08:14:20 <Jimbo Dubnium> Alright, forget everything I wrote so far. Some Norris waters are in the 3.5 - 4 pH range, but SB was ~7.
08:14:37 <Eric> Norris goes way below 3.5
08:15:13 <Bill> You definitely heard correctly
08:15:19 <Bill> Lowest pH we got was 1.3
08:15:27 <Kevin L™> Wow!
08:15:30 <ynpvisitor999®> of what feature?
08:15:44 <Eric> Along the way to Steamboat.
08:15:45 <Bill> OK: Ear: pH 8.25, temp 93.2 (boiling), conductivity 2000uS
08:15:48 <Jimbo Dubnium> UGB is 8-9, OF about 9.1
08:15:57 <Jimbo Dubnium> That works.
08:16:25 <Bill> one sec 999
08:16:41 <Kent> Thanks Bill
08:16:47 <Jimbo Dubnium> I'm just basing it on a quick look at this paper, and some of the data go back to the 30's. So there's probably more accurate stuff.
08:16:47 <Eric> One of those features on the hillside, on the way to steamboat has the 1.3pH
08:17:29 <Jimbo Dubnium> I'm going to have to dig out a couple of books.
08:17:48 <Eric> Right around here I believe: https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7249794,-110.7041982,3a,75y,107.26h,76.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soV9zyIzQiV-Lgzn1lUDdAg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
08:17:59 <Jimbo Dubnium> My Stumm and Morgan is easy to find!
08:19:02 <Bill> The 1.36 we found was in 100 spring plain
08:20:06 <Jimbo Dubnium> Going back to my original surmise, the coins probably had metal sulfide coatings.
08:20:27 <Kent> They were all black
08:20:30 <ynpvisitor999®> phew... I wouldn't want to put anything in that feature, Bill
08:21:05 <Kevin L™> It would be interesting to know the dates on the coins.
08:22:01 <Bill> https://gyazo.com/31f390cdba63251d98ab8879ace3a4c0
08:22:08 <Bill> sneak peak
08:22:48 <Kent> I looked and couldn't see one date. All very degraded. I only saw Lincoln Memorial, no wheat or shields. I didn't look at them all. Some were encrusted in crystals and sparkled in the light.
08:24:09 <Jimbo Dubnium> Makes sense. You can remove sulfides from wine by dropping a penny in the wine.
08:25:20 <ynpvisitor...> VC photographing everything so I assume it will be available
08:25:41 <ynpvisitor999®> those are a lot of features. You can actually easily see why it's called One Hundred Springs Plain on that image, Bill :)
08:26:12 <Bill> One hundred seems to be low balling it haha. I think one thousand would be more appropriate
08:26:14 <Kevin L™> Pennies were changed from copper to an alloy a while back. We put one on a pice of rail weld overflow (2000° F) to watch it melt and it caught fire and burned.
08:27:10 <Eric> NG
08:27:11 <Kevin L™> NG
08:28:06 <Eric> Interesting, the intervals have shifted on NG
08:28:27 <Eric> Now very consistent at 16/17m
08:29:12 <Jimbo Dubnium> I'm happy now. Picture of what exposure different chemicals does to copper: look at top left. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0e/fc/b7/0efcb7c5895f76a6effc412e1ec30e27.jpg
08:29:21 <Kevin L™> OF early in the window.
08:30:07 <ynpvisitor999®> and short
08:30:18 <ynpvisitor999®> didn't get exact start time - 1027 or 1028
08:30:24 <Eric> what was that duration?
08:30:43 <Eric> people still waiting for it to do mmore
08:30:57 <Kevin L™> It was 1028
08:31:15 <Kevin L™> Looked like about 2m plus
08:31:25 <ynpvisitor999®> thanks Kevin
08:33:58 <ynpvisitor999®> and thanks for the image, Jimbo
08:37:06 <ynpvisitor16> The composition of US coinage has changed over the years, so it may be possible by SEM/EDS to get a rough idea during what time period the coins were made, see https://www.usmint.gov/learn/history/coin-production
08:41:57 <Jimbo Dubnium> No problem
08:43:32 <ynpvisitor999®> NG
08:56:46 <ynpvisitor94> So Morning Glory may come back some day with a big push of coins and old tennis shoes?
08:57:43 <ynpvisitor94> I just heard of a guy in Texas that cleans coins from fountains for a percentage of the take. Think he could make the park any cash?
08:58:31 <ynpvisitor...> Morning Glory needs a visit from the folks at Rescue Rooter
08:59:23 <Kevin L™> I was down there once when they drained it and cleaned trash out. Interesting.
09:00:25 <ynpvisitor94> It did have better color this May.
09:00:46 <ynpvisitor94> ng steam?
09:00:59 <ynpvisitor94> I am on delay so don't look if you are live
09:01:13 <ynpvisitor94> gone now
09:01:13 <ynpvisitor999®> I wonder if it's possible to get a camera down in Morning Glory, along with a drill, so that the debris clogging its vent can at least be weakend to a certain extend. Then drain it and hopefully it can erupt in order to throw a lot of debris out
09:01:34 <Kevin L™> I didn't catch NG but they have been quick
09:01:48 <Eric> NG 1059 per udo
09:02:10 <ynpvisitor94> All I saw was sone steam.
09:02:29 <Kevin L™> Nice to have feet on the ground
09:03:15 <ynpvisitor94> A clean dome would help, if anyone that can get a new one is here or cares.
09:03:25 <Kevin L™> Morning Glory Pool cleaning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBB5DIx6JHQ
09:03:41 <ynpvisitor94> Poor Castle, no respect
09:05:24 <ynpvisitor94> Earlier discussion of changes, and minor features. There are alot of features no one seems to keep track of, because they are reliable, or seem insignificant.
09:05:51 <Kevin L™> Like Plume back in it's day.
09:06:39 <ynpvisitor94> In the grand scheme of things, it may not make any difference with the basin moving over the heat anyway.
09:06:56 <ynpvisitor94> Pump
09:07:02 <ynpvisitor94> Sprinkler
09:07:12 <ynpvisitor94> others that shal not be named
09:08:26 <ynpvisitor999®> ES minor 1107
09:12:14 <ynpvisitor999®> Castle major
09:14:37 <kcmule> started around 1111 on my clock but im horribly delayed these days
09:14:50 <kcmule> oops sorry
09:15:02 <kcmule> 1052 gt. im not delayed that badly
09:15:13 <ynpvisitor999®> thought already :)
09:15:13 <ynpvisitor94> :thumbsup:
09:16:46 <ynpvisitor...> 94. I talked to the VC ranger about the dome. Cleaning solution ordered but has not arrived. Normal plan is to clean once a week or as needed. Change in the air.
09:17:10 <ynpvisitor999®> nice!
09:18:15 <ynpvisitor999®> apparantly Bronze Spring @ 1115
09:19:50 <ynpvisitor999®> and I think we missed a North Goggle(s) a few minutes ago
09:21:12 <ynpvisitor999®> Daisy
09:21:12 <ynpvisitor94> Well, I miss Lion. Enjoy people watching.
09:46:08 <ynpvisitor67> gm all, I just discovered this great GT chat; been following GOSA for the past year having met some members in the park last summer; you probably already know, but I just noticed that your feed is 35 seconds ahead of the YNP feed
09:46:20 <ynpvisitor67> video*
09:52:39 <ynpvisitor26> If you enable flash and refresh it is live. If you scroll down in settings it will tell you what type of video feed you have
09:52:46 <ynpvisitor999®> is it? Never knew that
09:53:07 <ynpvisitor999®> oh yeah, of course, that pesky HLS delay
09:53:54 <ynpvisitor67> says it's live (YNP site) but delayed in Opera browser
09:53:55 <ynpvisitor999®> Cistern Spring @ 0948: "Cistern Spring has drained. no water or steam visible (32°)"
09:54:14 <ynpvisitor26> If you are new this will help you identify geysers seen here: http://donsplace.orgfree.com/ofcc2/images/UGBpan02as_labeled.jpg
09:54:25 <ynpvisitor999®> Steamboat @ 0942: "platform is quiet, gently huffing with a narrow band of dampness on SV runoff channel. No water in the system < 24 hours post eruption. Cistern Spring has drained. no water or steam visible (32°) Trough is mostly dredged with a small amount of pebbles and silt covering the drainage"
09:54:42 <ynpvisitor999®> NG
09:55:21 <ynpvisitor67> I'm coming to the park next Sunday night for 3 days; was hoping to see SB, but I'm afraid I'll be too late and leave too early; with it's current 5day+ cycle
09:56:17 <Kevin L™> Interesting time in the park now.
09:57:00 <ynpvisitor...> 67, I have tried everything including the 2nd Amendment and the laying on of hands but am unable to correct my Mac's 40 second delay. It is helpful at times because a ping here will give advance notice of what to watch for.
09:58:01 <Kevin L™> I can't get the delay off my iPad either.
09:58:21 <Kevin L™> The delay does have a smoother picture though.
09:58:22 <ynpvisitor67> looking forward to seeing the Geyser Hill activity
09:58:54 <Kevin L™> Going to be some interesting changes.
09:59:03 <ynpvisitor...> Yes, if I was able to correct I would probably bring in back except Sunday evening.
09:59:46 <ynpvisitor67> can't get the chat cam feed to load on my phone (G7), even when on home network, but having the chat and GT info all in one place is great!
10:04:56 <Kevin L™> Look in the Help & Important Links section. There is a mobile chat there.
10:06:57 <ynpvisitor35> Tks KL will do. Headed out will ck posts later
10:07:17 <Kevin L™> There is also a simple chat that may work. Does not have all the info on the side though.
10:09:38 <ynpvisitor35> Working now, may be a bandwidth issue somewhere
10:10:09 <Kevin L™> That would not surprise me. Are you in the park?
10:10:48 <ynpvisitor35> 35=67 on my mobile now, Tacoma, arrive Sunday night
10:11:42 <Kevin L™> OK. I know the bandwidth in the park can be bad.
10:12:11 <Kevin L™> Should not be as bad now that there are fewer people there.
10:12:40 <Eric> This page should work fine on most modern mobile phones. It does take some bandwidth to load everything though.
10:12:55 <ynpvisitor...> Tks K. Mobile chat works on my Pixel perfectly. Now if it will work in the UGB. Verizon doesn't seem to like Project Fi at all.
10:13:20 <Eric> Idevices are delayed due to their lack of flash support, hence no real streaming.
10:13:49 <ynpvisitor...> That makes sense.
10:14:06 <Eric> the mobile chat is very nice when in the park, I used it often and it was super responsive.
10:14:43 <Eric> Maybe someday we will have a universal streaming option that is not flash.
10:17:15 <Kevin L™> We can only hope
10:19:26 <ynpvisitor35> Tks all
10:32:44 <Eric> I had not seen the OF conewalker/pee man video yet: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/09/18/tourist-arrested-after-walking-onto-old-faithful-geyser-apparently-urinating/1345566002/
10:33:59 <Eric> Talk about incredibly dumb
10:35:31 <Kevin L™> HK has more info in his notes
10:36:38 <ynpvisitor999®> http://geysertimes.org/eruption.php?id=1055217 this one
10:37:32 <ynpvisitor38> Ear Spring - pH 8.25 in 1998
10:38:18 <ynpvisitor...> I heard the original call. VC said law enforcement is aware. I didn't even turn my head. if I had know he was irrigating the crater I would have at least stood up and looked. Speaking of Fluff's pH :)
10:53:37 <Eric> haha...too funny kent
10:55:08 <Kevin L™> There have been days I felt like that about Aurum.
11:06:57 <ynpvisitor999®> OF ie late
11:46:23 <ynpvisitor999®> Daisy
11:46:24 <ynpvisitor999®> ie
11:49:16 <Kevin L™> Lion
11:49:17 <ynpvisitor999®> Lion
11:49:18 <Kevin L™> .
11:49:19 <Kevin L™> .
11:49:19 <ynpvisitor999®> ini
11:49:19 <Kevin L™> .
11:49:20 <ynpvisitor999®> .
11:49:21 <ynpvisitor999®> .
11:49:22 <ynpvisitor999®> .
11:49:52 <ynpvisitor...> Now this is GOOD news
11:50:00 <Kevin L™> This should be interesting to see what happens now.
11:50:44 <ynpvisitor999®> this is a weak Lion per pre-NG acitivity standards
11:50:49 <ynpvisitor999®> NG
11:51:08 <ynpvisitor16> Now thats cool
11:51:51 <ynpvisitor...> :thumbsup: :)
11:52:43 <ynpvisitor999®> so, what's this - a North Goggle(s) delay? :)
11:53:03 <Rice> Things that make you go, Hummm.......
11:53:19 <Kevin L™> Go Aurum!
11:57:18 <ynpvisitor999®> good to see big cat has awoken
11:57:49 <ynpvisitor999®> or should it be 'awakened'?
11:58:00 <Kevin L™> Will it be a one and done?
11:58:23 <ynpvisitor999®> wouldn't be surprised if that were to be the case
11:58:49 <ynpvisitor999®> LC
12:00:12 <ynpvisitor999®> though I wouldn't complain if Lion were to go ham like it did a few years back
12:07:49 <ynpvisitor118> NG
12:07:51 <ynpvisitor118> still alive
12:08:04 <ynpvisitor118> but very short
12:10:17 <ynpvisitor999®> I guess that's soon all for NG then :( Fun while it lasted (but hopefully soon another series)
12:10:26 <ynpvisitor16> That was by far the longest Lion interval in the past year, the second longest, Nov. 28 2017 had an interval of 1d11h40m, followed by 13 events after the initial
12:24:21 <ynpvisitor118> NG
12:25:40 <Kevin L™> I didn't even see that
12:26:37 <ynpvisitor118> Probably only ie for 5-10 seconds
12:26:54 <ynpvisitor118> Stayed small the whole time
12:27:56 <Kevin L™> Grand should go this Turban
12:28:16 <ynpvisitor999®> It would be interesting to see what NG does once this Lion series is done - would it (continue to) erupt with full strength or is Lion's series the doom of probably its longest series ever recorded?
12:28:43 <ynpvisitor118> I was guessing the one with Lion was going to be the last.
12:29:12 <ynpvisitor118> This has been incredible regardless.
12:30:34 <Kevin L™> Yes
12:31:02 <ynpvisitor118> Is your Grand prediction bc we're in the OF window Kevin?
12:31:14 <Kevin L™> Yep
12:34:17 <ynpvisitor118> Grand
12:34:24 <ynpvisitor118> You know your stuff, Kevin
12:34:33 <Kevin L™> Told you
12:34:57 <Jake> never wrong™
12:40:04 <ynpvisitor118> OK. My eyes are on NG.
12:41:08 <ynpvisitor999®> NG
12:41:10 <ynpvisitor77> NG
12:41:11 <ynpvisitor118> There it is
12:41:40 <Jake> did I see the whole thing? like 3 seconds?
12:41:57 <ynpvisitor118> Yeah. Since the Lion ini they have all been shrot like that
12:41:59 <ynpvisitor118> short
12:42:12 <ynpvisitor999®> same frequency - less height (which probably means less heat). I think NG will probably be lengthening its intervals very soon or just quit altogether
12:42:38 <ynpvisitor999®> 'shrot' wouldn't be a terrible description either, 118
12:42:55 <ynpvisitor118> <9m first burst from Grand it appeared
12:43:08 <ynpvisitor999®> GO 2ND BURST!
12:43:12 <ynpvisitor118> Bingo
12:44:02 <Kevin L™> :p
12:52:57 <ynpvisitor999®> T2Q | 11m
12:56:11 <Kevin L™> Be interesting to see if Lion does another
12:57:45 <Eric> Nice...glad lion is showing up again
13:00:48 <ynpvisitor999®> I'm off for today. Have fun watching SC, Lion (and NG).
13:01:02 <Kevin L™> bye
13:04:14 <ynpvisitor118> NG
13:04:16 <ynpvisitor77> NG
13:10:10 <ynpvisitor118> Lion is trying
13:10:11 <Eric> lion
13:10:25 <ynpvisitor118> There we go
13:10:36 <ynpvisitor118> Not there
13:10:40 <Eric> woops...wrong preset :-D
13:10:41 <ynpvisitor118> better
13:10:49 <Kevin L™> Wrong button
13:10:57 <ynpvisitor118> It happens
13:11:29 <ynpvisitor...> Smile Smile
13:11:56 <Kevin L™> Trying to keep ng in there. Not cooperating
13:12:16 <Eric> Lion is looking good
13:12:35 <Kevin L™> Strong 2nd
13:12:59 <Eric> for being in the middle of an NG series...no idea what to expect from lion
13:13:10 <ynpvisitor16> I analyzed the last 4500 Lion events using Excel Pivot Tables, found that the intervals are trimodal
13:13:43 <Eric> what are the modes?
13:13:56 <ynpvisitor16> Corresponding to initial (~1300 events), mean of 637 minutes, mode of 597 minutes, from prior initial
13:15:09 <ynpvisitor16> Not initial events, total ~3200, bimodal, basis is prior event regardless of type, of mean/median of either 74 minutes or 20 minutes - almost all are the 74 minutes avg. type
13:15:53 <ynpvisitor16> 200 of the not-initials had an the short interval of 20 minutes - these must be minors
13:17:08 <ynpvisitor16> If I would predict Lion, it would be 6h40min +/- 3h hour from prior initial, but there seems to be no noticable pattern
13:24:54 <ynpvisitor42> So where are these bublers for lion at?
13:26:02 <Kevin L™> Think on the front of the cone.
13:26:12 <Jake> 16, did you mistype? 6h40m +/- 3hrs is from the end of series to initial, yes?
13:27:25 <Jake> if you're standing in front of Lion at the benches, the bubblers are down and to the left of Lion's cone, about halfway down the slope and maybe 30 feet to the left of the cone
13:27:58 <Jake> hard to see even when bubbling. I have to spot it's little, colored runoff channel and follow it up to the vent
13:28:18 <ynpvisitor16> From initial to initial
13:29:09 <ynpvisitor16> Oops, you are correct, it is from end of series to initial - give me a few to get initial to initial - my bad
13:30:11 <Jake> End of series to initial interval is more meaningful to me. It disregards the variable series lengths. For every Lion eruption it's adding an hour onto the initial-to-initial interval
13:30:55 <Jake> Lion is tricky to describe with simple statistics because of the variable series lengths
13:33:10 <ynpvisitor16> so end of series to initial is about 6h40m +/- 3h
13:34:26 <ynpvisitor16> from initial to initial is about 13h40m average, 12h30m median
13:35:33 <ynpvisitor16> initial to initial intervals almost all are between 8 and 16 hours, and there does seem to be a weak cyclic pattern
13:38:14 <ynpvisitor118> NG
13:38:17 <Eric> NG
13:38:27 <ynpvisitor16> The int-int intervals are all between 8 and 14 hours, except every 25-30 days, in which the int-int interval increases to 25 to 35 hours for a few days with intermediate shorter intervals
13:39:32 <ynpvisitor16> The last long-interval maximum was 8/23, so having a long interval ending today is within the pattern.
13:40:17 <ynpvisitor16> I would expect a few days of normal 8-14 hr initial-initial intervals with a day or two of longer intervals, then BH settling down to 8-14 hr intervals for a few weeks
13:40:18 <Eric> Interesting read on the data
13:40:54 <ynpvisitor77> Would make a great Transactions or Sput read
13:41:21 <ynpvisitor16> Could be reading to much into it - would be interesting to try to correlate interval length with number in the series and/or neighboring geyser activity
13:41:38 <ynpvisitor16> I could post or e-mail the spreadsheet if anyone is interested
13:41:43 <ynpvisitor59> yes to transactions report
13:43:24 <ynpvisitor59> material needed for T XIV
13:43:57 <Kevin L™> Should be some great stuff for reports this year.
13:44:16 <ynpvisitor77> LC
13:45:19 <ynpvisitor16> I guess its more fun than my regular job of analyzing data
13:45:20 <ynpvisitor59> Takes someone writing it up
13:46:05 <ynpvisitor16> I don't really have the context - thermal effects, potential of ground water and/or seasonal impact, or any knowledge of prior studies on Lion or UGB
13:49:06 <ynpvisitor50> 16, even as just a brief analysis of numbers it is of use. add the caveat of limitations. Could serve as a atarting point for somene else. Or you in the future. Or research the context?
13:50:38 <ynpvisitor16> I'll look through some back issues and see what others have done. I suppose a letter or note would be OK
13:51:19 <Jeff in CT> Trying to figure out how to assign number in series via an Excel script, to each initial
13:52:30 <ynpvisitor77> Transactions 1 has an article with info on Lion Group in 83, 85, 87, 88
13:52:47 <ynpvisitor42> My guess is calculate the interval, and use that to compute the number.
13:53:45 <Jeff in CT> Thanks 77. 42: I am going to 'Countif' all prior eruptions if Yes or No to initial, then take difference between, or something like that
13:54:54 <ynpvisitor42> Well off to other things. maybe Aurum will start up for Kevin.
13:55:15 <Joe> NG
14:09:12 <Eric> due for another lion
14:11:47 <Jeff in CT> Off for dinner, but I can find no correlation between number in a Lion series, and interval between initials - will play with data some more later
14:12:29 <Eric> Thanks Jeff
14:15:04 <Eric> lion
14:18:05 <Eric> NG
14:18:05 <Kevin L™> ng
14:18:45 <ynpvisitor92> hey, Lion is back, nice...
14:19:06 <Eric> interesting...NG has extended out it's intervals to about 25mm
14:19:08 <Eric> 25mm
14:19:15 <Eric> uggg, 25 minutes
14:19:30 <ynpvisitor92> I thought there was no correlation that can be found between #of series in Lion and interval...
14:19:53 <ynpvisitor92> well Eric, did you want Lion to stay missing...maybe they cannot coexist
14:20:27 <Eric> I have no control...so just interested in their changes.
14:21:00 <ynpvisitor92> true that. I misread your UGGG then...
14:21:23 <Eric> uggg was from my horrible keyboard putting in too mmmmmany m's
14:21:36 <Eric> I think it needs a thorough cleaning
14:21:37 <ynpvisitor92> oh, got it
14:21:43 <Kevin L™> I like M&Ms
14:22:20 <ynpvisitor92> has Aurum been around today..?
14:22:27 <Kevin L™> Nope
14:22:47 <ynpvisitor92> it's great Kent got to be there for some shorties
14:23:03 <Kevin L™> Graham posted a note on it and I was hoping Udo may add some but nothing yet
14:23:11 <ynpvisitor92> Betty in park tomorrow?
14:23:32 <Eric> She should be
14:23:48 <ynpvisitor92> Udo's in UGB without it being a BH window? That is odd
14:23:58 <Kevin L™> I think she is headed that way. Not sure if she is staying here tonight.
14:24:02 <Eric> watching all of the cool NG eruptions :-D
14:24:28 <ynpvisitor92> seems to have left them, or he would be posting still
14:24:54 <ynpvisitor92> maybe he wanted to check out the hill now that he has time off from SB
14:24:59 <Eric> I assume we missed an NG around 1530
14:31:22 <ynpvisitor92> NG should be coming up soon
14:31:58 <Eric> 8m away
14:32:21 <ynpvisitor92> oops, I was counting wrong
14:33:28 <Eric> use /gt north goggle
14:33:40 <Eric> then you don't have to count :-D
14:35:00 <Jake> NG ie
14:38:43 <Eric> If it's not on GT, it didn't happen!
14:39:15 <Joe> did not see it
14:39:52 <Eric> That would have been an 18m interval....maybe lion is over
14:42:46 <ynpvisitor92> no one posted the 1635 ie
14:43:09 <Joe> found it and posted
14:43:23 <Joe> 1634
14:49:08 <ynpvisitor92> thanks Joe
14:49:54 <Joe> yw
14:50:41 <Joe> ink Daisy erupted during lion
14:50:45 <ynpvisitor92> it will be interesting to see if Lion is over
15:04:51 <Eric> Did you find an NG near 15:30 joe?
15:05:35 <Joe> I was not recording at that time :(
15:06:02 <Eric> ohh, bummer
15:07:04 <Joe> Lion
15:07:11 <Joe> no
15:07:16 <Eric> it was trying
15:11:01 <Kevin L™> Where is my Lone Star preset?
15:11:46 <Joe> on the left next to fountain
15:12:15 <kc (working)> interesting non-geyser related note just posted, not sure if it was mentioned in chat before
15:12:59 <Kevin L™> Wow! Thanks kc
15:13:29 <ynpvisitor103> Just saw that, wonder why
15:13:36 <ynpvisitor92> DG predicted that
15:13:37 <ynpvisitor92> bummer
15:13:47 <kc (working)> yw. wonder if they're worried about potential steam explosions or a feature erupting onto the bw
15:13:51 <ynpvisitor92> it is because there are breakouts under the boardwalk I think
15:14:13 <ynpvisitor92> Micah, Steve E and Graham have all talked about them, near Pump
15:15:02 <ynpvisitor92> not good for Aurum fans though has Aurum stopped?
15:16:02 <ynpvisitor103> need new boardwalk from Giantess to Doublet.
15:17:16 <Eric> lion
15:17:30 <ynpvisitor103> Lion
15:18:03 <ynpvisitor103> now, will that kill NG?
15:18:14 <Kevin L™> I don't think Aurum has been seen since Sunday.
15:18:46 <Kevin L™> NG has still been going.
15:19:01 <Eric> Interesting decision to close the BW up there
15:21:01 <Kevin L™> NG
15:22:29 <Joe> Is that white thing the barricade?
15:22:50 <ynpvisitor103> was the Lion initial typical eruption?
15:23:49 <ynpvisitor103> looks like
15:23:55 <Joe> yep
15:24:05 <Kevin L™> It is a type II Barricade.
15:43:16 <Craig> Interesting times
15:44:58 <ynpvisitor21> Where is Sulphide Junction?
15:51:48 <Kevin L™> First Junction on the hill from the trail by the cabins.
15:52:19 <Kevin L™> Chickens are calling. brb
15:55:42 <ynpvisitor38> Micah says the entire area was undulating. Temp was 206. Closing it seems wise for now!
15:56:02 <Craig> NGG
16:07:01 <ynpvisitor77> lion
16:29:46 <ynpvisitor...> Any Xanterra folks around? Does it do any good to check for lodging after the office closes? If someone cancels is that reflected in current availability or do you need to wait for morning to have the availability updated?
16:31:11 <Kevin L™> Micah works front desk at the Inn
16:32:07 <ynpvisitor...> I am sorta hoping he or perhaps Will sees my question.
16:33:24 <Kevin L™> Eric can set you up with email cancellation notices
16:42:50 <Kevin L™> ng
17:06:15 <kcmule> ng ie
17:28:54 <ynpvisitor77> NG
17:49:54 <Rice> What is up with the boardwalk closer note on GT?
17:50:08 <ynpvisitor77> lion
17:50:24 <Rice> Did someone get hurt or did amgeyser effect the board walk making it dangerous?
17:50:31 <Kevin L™> Unstable ground in the area
17:50:43 <Rice> Wow. Where?
17:51:55 <Rice> Oh found the next note. Near Pump.
17:53:07 <ynpvisitor...> There are two new small sputs under the boardwalk at the Doublet Pool sign and an arc of fumeroles (one bubbler) from the right side of the boardwalk underneath and out into the sinter about 50 feet north of Sponge.
17:53:31 <ynpvisitor...> Nice Lion
17:54:00 <lion> The end is near, the hill is moving.
17:54:21 <Kevin L™> Per Micah: Park Geology personal arrived and got a temperature measurement of 206 degrees F. This prompted a temporary closure between Doublet and Sponge. Around 1600 the Geology staff, maintenance, and Law Enforcement returned and announced that The entire northern section of Geyser Hill would be closed from Sulfide to Lion, including the trail to Solitary.
17:54:49 <lion> Thanks
17:55:40 <Rice> Thanks. That is exciting and scary all at the same time
17:56:03 <lion> Just when Kevin got wool long johns and was headed to see Aurum one last time this year.
17:56:42 <lion> So now is when Giantess goes?
17:57:37 <Rice> or something new blows open
17:58:54 <Kevin L™> Could be on both!
17:59:15 <ynpvisitor...> I thought the entire Giantess group seemed unaffected by what is going on. I never even saw increased bubbling out of any of the features. Whatever is going on seemed to stop short of Giantess.
17:59:32 <lion> Giantess and a new one, or the long johns and Giantess?
18:00:12 <lion> I just referenced Giantess as the upper boardwalk is closed.
18:00:13 <Kevin L™> You won't find me anywhere you need long johns.
18:00:14 <Rice> The long johns will blow open. Oh the horror
18:00:44 <lion> spit cone ie
18:01:30 <Kevin L™> After Xanterra food I could see long johns blowing open
18:05:47 <Joe> NG
18:06:10 <ynpvisitor...> I found some sorta OK Xanterra food. Order Mac and Cheese at the Lodge (side order, not the meal), dump it out on a plate and add a bit of salt and pepper, heat in the microwave. It is almost good. Do this before you even select a table.
18:12:34 <kcmule> bhi
18:12:41 <kcmule> .
18:12:42 <kcmule> .
18:12:50 <kcmule> I can send txt
18:13:16 <ynpvisitor...> Nice!
18:13:17 <Kevin L™> It kneww I left
18:13:27 <Kevin L™> ty kc
18:13:37 <Time for BH> I was hoping
18:13:51 <kcmule> 2011 per gt
18:14:30 <Kevin L™> I think this is the best I can do
18:18:57 <Joe> BH
18:19:02 <Kevin L™> Somebody has a candle
18:22:20 <Kevin L™> Wish it would have been an hour earlier.
18:23:16 <Time for BH> Kevin, no long johns? Even if you could drive the snow blower on the rails over the Sierras?
18:23:48 <Kevin L™> Now maybe the one at the Cumbres & Toltec....
18:25:37 <Time for BH> Well that was fun. Go Lion!
18:53:23 <Betty> Evening all
18:53:57 <Betty> OF is ie
18:54:44 <Betty> And Daisy was I think
18:55:12 <Kevin L™> Hi Betty. You still here?
18:55:17 <Betty> Grand
18:55:40 <Betty> I‘m at Idaho Falls now
18:55:55 <Kevin L™> A bit cooler.
18:56:15 <Betty> Yes, only 63
18:56:33 <Betty> More used to that
18:56:35 <Kevin L™> Watch the road tomorrow. My daughter told me that someone hit a moose on US 20 at the 2nd Rexburg exit.
18:57:27 <Betty> Ouch
18:58:19 <Kevin L™> Moose and Prius dead at the scene, Driver walked.
18:59:17 <Kevin L™> Did you see the Geyser Hill closure notice?
19:06:39 <Betty> No
19:13:04 <Betty> Seems we don‘t see a closeup of Aurum again:-(
19:14:46 <Kevin L™> Are you on the listserv?
19:15:44 <Betty> No
19:16:12 <Kevin L™> I will forward you the info.
19:18:42 <Kevin L™> Sent
19:22:09 <Betty> Thx
19:22:31 <Kevin L™> Sort of stunning
19:36:11 <ynpvisitor...> Good info from Micah. This is fun.
19:37:10 <Kevin L™> I hope he and Graham post more info tomorrow.
19:37:55 <ynpvisitor...> We are lucky to have them on the ground
19:40:59 <Betty> Yes, good information on what‘s going on.
19:42:00 <Betty> Hi Kent
19:42:19 <Kevin L™> I forgot that you could feed us info too.
19:42:31 <Kevin L™> Lion.
19:42:36 <ynpvisitor...> Hey Betty. I will keep my fingers crossed that you have great luck!
19:42:38 <Kevin L™> Pretty sure I am lagged.
19:46:50 <Kevin L™> #8 in the Lion series
19:47:58 <ynpvisitor...> I am happy for any Lion after the last couple of days
19:48:45 <Kevin L™> I was hoping for a change for the better in Aurum. :(
19:50:14 <ynpvisitor...> Truth is K, I am still smiling after Sunday. Note from friend about Steamboat. I said yah, but did you see what went on with Aurum :)
19:51:49 <Betty> Thanks Kent
19:52:02 <Kevin L™> I caught a couple of those on the cam. Just wish they continued.
19:53:03 <Betty> I only can submit information when I‘m back to West in the evening
19:53:40 <Kevin L™> We realize that but any information from the field is welcome.
19:53:53 <ynpvisitor...> Agree
19:57:11 <Betty> Sure.
19:57:58 <Betty> I need to hang around with Graham
20:17:25 <ynpvisitor...> Caught Pump at a quiet moment in afternoon light. Brilliant yellow/gold. Best I have seen in the park. Probably a pure elemental sulfur lining of its crater.
20:22:55 <ynpvisitor9> No more Pump viewing this season, or Aurum