Showing logs for date: 2018-09-27
23:07:06 <ynpvisitor72> OF ie
00:38:19 <ynpvisitor72> OF ns
03:39:44 <ynpvisitor80> Grand
04:03:08 <ynpvisitor72> Lion ie
04:15:20 <ynpvisitor81> To those that took the time to clean the camera dome Thank you!
04:17:01 <ynpvisitor81>
04:18:09 <ynpvisitor81> the first link did not work
04:58:48 <ynpvisitor86> Right now it looks beautiful. Really appreciate the work done.
04:59:31 <ynpvisitor29> Depression
05:00:45 <Betty> Morning all
05:00:50 <ynpvisitor86> Too little thought given to new thermal names. Stick with numbers for a year or two. Suppress your own ego!
05:01:42 <ynpvisitor86> Good morning Betty
05:01:52 <ynpvisitor999®> morning Betty
05:01:52 <Betty> Hi 86
05:02:02 <Betty> Hi DG
05:02:48 <Betty> The last day in the park today, we hope to get F&M
05:05:25 <Betty> There have not been many or even any event cycles yet
05:12:40 <ynpvisitor999®> nice lighting on this OF
05:12:50 <Eric> ppretty
05:12:53 <Eric> Morning
05:12:59 <ynpvisitor999®> morning Eric
05:15:11 <ynpvisitor81> I feel as if a fog has been lifted from my eyes ")
05:15:23 <ynpvisitor81> :)
05:15:34 <ynpvisitor999®> indeed
05:15:45 <ynpvisitor999®> it looks so much better now
05:18:18 <ynpvisitor39> how big is a Link minor?
05:18:43 <ynpvisitor81> I have been trying four months to get whoever to take the time and clean the camera with a cleaning solution, a big thanks to Bill from Mammoth for working with the VEC to get it done
05:19:46 <ynpvisitor39> what solution did they use? Is the deposit the same as Steamboat spray on cars?
05:20:37 <ynpvisitor81> Yesterday they said a CCTV lens cleaning solution
05:20:42 <ynpvisitor999®> Link majors are up to 100 feet and a lot of water is expelled during a major.
05:21:35 <ynpvisitor39> minors are what Graham is seeing
05:21:36 <ynpvisitor999®> Lion
05:22:14 <Dave from B™> Good morning everyone
05:22:19 <ynpvisitor999®> oh. I need some reading classes then I guess. Minors are about 3-4 feet tall at most
05:22:22 <ynpvisitor999®> morning Dave
05:22:37 <ynpvisitor81> WB DAVE FROM B
05:23:00 <Dave from B™> Thanks 81
05:23:12 <ynpvisitor999®> by the way, if you haven't seen it yet, Morning had a solo yesterday @ 1533
05:23:45 <ynpvisitor999®> morning Joe and Kent
05:24:03 <Dave from B™> solo Morning...thanks DG. Is that the first recorded solo this year?
05:24:29 <ynpvisitor999®> yes Dave
05:25:01 <ynpvisitor...> Morning Betty, DfB, Joe and #s. Love the new cam!
05:25:17 <ynpvisitor...> Afternoon DG
05:26:22 <ynpvisitor...> Kevin said the cam looked better at sunset last night too. Elbow grease!@
05:26:38 <Joe> When you clean your windshield with a dry rag you still can't see, when you clean it with a cleaning solution viola you can see
05:33:50 <Bill> Morning
05:34:16 <Bill> I'm going down to UGB today and interp is going to get a ladder out and hand clean the camera today! Hopefully it'll help.
05:34:32 <ynpvisitor...> Morning Bill. You and the VC did good yesterday.
05:34:57 <Dave from B™> Yes. Thanks for your help!
05:35:16 <Joe> Hey Bill thanks for your work getting that camera Dome clean thank you thank you thank you
05:35:38 <ynpvisitor...> I hope the ladder polishes it off!
05:35:49 <Bill> Happy to help! Us getting up there today to look at it will let us know if we need a new dome or not.
05:37:02 <ynpvisitor...> Please check if it is easy to trade out domes. Important with the new cam.
05:37:29 <Bill> can do
05:37:48 <Kent> Thanks
05:38:29 <Joe> Bill, Also on the new camera see if they don't make it a part of the flag raisers Duty to clean the camera Dome every morning while they're up there
05:39:05 <Dave from B™> Wait...I've heard new camera multiple times this camera or just cleaned really really well?
05:39:37 <Bill> I'll take a look at the new location Joe
05:39:49 <Bill> Dave, it's both! There will be a new camera soon on the inn
05:39:52 <ynpvisitor...> It was mentioned yesterday that there is a new cam in progress
05:40:09 <Joe> thanks Bill
05:40:17 <Bill> I don't know any more than you folks.
05:40:28 <Betty> Hey Bill, I almost ran into you when you were talking to Micah at the Inn earlier this week :-)
05:40:38 <ynpvisitor...> New cam has a built in wiper
05:40:52 <Bill> Oh nice, Betty! Should have said hey!
05:41:03 <Bill> I'll be around again today, but I dont know what my schedule looks like.
05:41:32 <Betty> But you were out too fast. I will look at you standing on the ladder
05:41:48 <ynpvisitor...> Take a photo :)
05:42:28 <Betty> I think we will spend our day at giant/F&M area
05:42:50 <Betty> Haha, Kent
05:43:07 <Betty> Hi Dave
05:44:00 <Joe> the only problem with the wiper is someone has to fill the cleaning solution tank...not going to happen
05:44:36 <ynpvisitor...> Think positive Joe. It will work out fine. I always does :)
05:45:11 <Betty> I was on the first floor when I saw you talking to Micah, as I went down you were both gone:-(
05:45:17 <Joe> +++ 0=
05:45:31 <Dave from B™> wow...I leave for a week and I'm lost. Great news on another cam. Are both going to be used or will this one be phased out?
05:45:50 <Dave from B™> Hi Betty
05:46:05 <Bill> Alrighty, I'm off to UGB. Have a great dasy!
05:46:07 <Bill> *day
05:46:28 <ynpvisitor...> No word, but there is a shortage of bandwidth and I was told IP addresses so I suspect the old one will be retired.
05:47:07 <ynpvisitor...> I would love the old static back but if wishes were fishes (sorry Dave)
05:47:45 <Dave from B™> Darn. I was hoping to have 2 cams at UGB
05:47:47 <Betty> Time for me to head to the park. Bye
05:48:03 <Dave from B™> I would suspect Grand viewing will be better from the Inn
05:48:12 <Dave from B™> Have fun Betty
05:48:20 <ynpvisitor...> By the way there is a new large sign on top of the Haynes Photo Shop. Not Attractive!
05:49:22 <Dave from B™> Does it say "Fin Foods"...sorry Gardiner joke for oldtimers
05:50:11 <ynpvisitor...> View from that high will be considerably different. It will take some getting used to. Probably not as good of coverage down-basin in wide angle mode, but much better when pointed.
05:50:36 <ynpvisitor...> I remember Fin Foods
05:50:47 <Dave from B™> It should be less shaky and much easier to clean from the Inn
05:51:06 <Dave from B™> Kent, I thought you would....That sign was a classic
05:51:49 <ynpvisitor...> Are you going back to the park before closing?
05:54:54 <Dave from B™> Kent, at some point. I'm going to see at least 1 more SB interval before deciding. I have a BIG PILE on my desk this morning
05:55:35 <Eric> Morning Dave
05:56:06 <Joe> Dave if you were nice to them they wouldn't do that :)
05:56:35 <Eric> My cat does that sometimes when I am away for a long time too :-D
05:56:55 <Dave from B™> :D Eric
05:57:16 <Eric> usually right on my bed!
05:57:35 <Dave from B™> Joe, each trip gets a little easier. My main focus for the last few month is passing many of my tasks permaneently on to others.
05:57:51 <Dave from B™> Eric, that is worse than stepping in it!
05:58:16 <Eric> Cats don't want you to forget they "Love" you.
05:58:43 <ynpvisitor...> I am going to try for closing weekend. Last year they closed the park on me :( I saw SB's steam Monday morning. No parking but it was impressive from the road.
06:01:04 <Dave from B™> I'm a little concerned with the last interval...anxious to see what's next
06:03:33 <ynpvisitor...> It is interesting. We have a friend who is watching for a Disturbance like a hawk.
06:03:40 <Eric> riverside
06:04:37 <ynpvisitor...> It takes a while, but there it is
06:05:14 <Eric> Will be interesting to see this mornings norris report
06:05:39 <Eric> I assume cistern in full overflow with SB jetting lightly
06:06:29 <Eric> I hope graham gets F&M today
06:07:29 <Dave from B™> Weekend SB?
06:07:50 <ynpvisitor999®> this would be the second day of refilling for Cistern. Based on if Cistern is in overflow you could predict SB, but I suspect the type of overflow (just about, moderate and strong) also affects the interval
06:08:49 <ynpvisitor40> F&M
06:09:01 <ynpvisitor40> I am eating breakfast
06:09:19 <ynpvisitor999®> for example, on the second day of refilling, Cistern was in overflow, though not strongly. Interval ended up being 6d20h, while the previous SB's, Cistern was in strong overflow on the second day of refilling
06:09:22 <ynpvisitor...> :(
06:09:27 <Joe> looks good for F&M
06:09:41 <GO MORNING> No its not
06:09:42 <ynpvisitor...> I suspect Graham has it on FRS
06:09:49 <GO MORNING> Yep
06:09:49 <Dave from B™> ouch...sorry Graham
06:09:58 <GO MORNING> 0807 per steveo
06:11:02 <ynpvisitor999®> well... I guess Betty can say goodbye on catching F&M. Sad
06:11:05 <GO MORNING> Yeah, oh well
06:11:14 <Eric> oh man, you had a cycle at 648 :-(
06:12:32 <ynpvisitor999®> I think I need to make a note for myself that I should always take some food with me when waiting for certain geysers if they are pretty much due...
06:17:28 <Dave from B™> an hour after an event cycle would seem to be safe
06:17:49 <Dave from B™> I bet Graham was headed there after breakfast
06:18:10 <ynpvisitor999®> 0648 was a regular cycle, not an event one
06:19:32 <Joe> I'll bet that made Grahams next bite of breakfast taste bad.
06:20:13 <Eric> Yep, the cycles are about an hour
06:20:49 <Eric> I sat through many regular cycles this summer :-D
06:21:33 <Eric> and yes DG, you always have a backpack with food, sunscreen and raingear when gazing.
06:32:33 <ynpvisitor999®> Lion
06:36:09 <ynpvisitor999®> morning Kevin
06:38:04 <GO MORNING> At F&M now
06:38:27 <Kevin L™> Hi
06:38:41 <Kevin L™> Betty with you graham?
06:38:48 <Joe> Bummer earlier, Graham
06:39:31 <GO MORNING> No betty
06:40:10 <ynpvisitor...> She has to drive in from West?
06:40:48 <Kevin L™> Just wondering if she got the Morning.
06:42:40 <ynpvisitor...> I think that was a long, but it was not a strong eruption.
06:45:05 <Dave from B™> Betty stays in West
06:58:11 <ynpvisitor...> SC 0858 wc . ie
07:01:39 <Joe> Daisy
07:11:45 <ynpvisitor20> ooohhh F&M nice
07:29:33 <Teri (htm)> back in Caldwell enroute to Tacoma; glad some of you caught F&M!; I saw Morning yesterday pm on the way out of the park; made up for the 5 hours I sat on 2 BH times but missed; great meeting gazers at the park!; left SB Sunday night (9/23) after 5 hours at 9pm but caught the steam phase of SB (which strengthened around 0930, Monday am)
07:30:20 <Kevin L™> Sounds like a good trip
07:32:01 <Teri (htm)> was great!
07:32:40 <Teri (htm)> did the Fairy Falls/Imperial Geyser hike per William's rec; totally worth it - highly recommended
07:34:02 <Teri (htm)> Morning was amazing; you can hear/feel the underground bursts like a fireworks mortar, but deeper (ie more powerful)
07:37:38 <Kevin L™> Sounds fun. Do you know if Betty got it?
07:42:46 <Joe> Lion
07:43:05 <Joe> or not
07:43:11 <Dave from B™> In case you haven't seen an updated 2018 score: F&M 21, SB 20, Giant 17, Morning 5
07:43:57 <ynpvisitor...> Congress 1 which is actually big news!
07:44:33 <Dave from B™> Doesn't Congress erupt most days?:D
07:44:56 <ynpvisitor...> I must just not be paying attention :)
07:45:07 <Kevin L™> I think it is a stagnant cesspool.
07:45:12 <Dave from B™> I'm only seeing Congress eruptnios from 1974 in GT
07:45:29 <Dave from B™> Oh, wait. You meant in YNP?
07:46:19 <ynpvisitor999®> there was one from 2018 for Congress. Guess it was/got removed
07:47:44 <Dave from B™> I'm going thru the Congress notes...when did eruptnio possibly occur?
07:47:58 <ynpvisitor...> I hadn't heard about the removal. i will have to check with my source about what is going on. I did hear it has dropped substantially.
07:48:40 <ynpvisitor...> Dave it was reported just last week. Perhaps in error.
07:48:46 <ynpvisitor999®> it supposedly occurred on September 22nd
07:48:54 <ynpvisitor999®> between 1000 and 1600
07:57:38 <Teri (htm)> I didn't c Betty at Morning yesterday pm: Ulli et famille, SteveO, Kitt, and others whose names I didn't get; SteveO listed some observers on his GT post
07:57:45 <Teri (htm)> headed out, will ck in later
07:57:57 <Kevin L™> later
07:59:08 <Teri (htm)> wow, I guess I hit the jackpot w/Morning; tks Dave for the info
07:59:42 <Dave from B™> You bet, Teri....Morning is just starting to wakeup again
08:03:16 <Eric> Morning :-D
08:03:42 <Eric> You got very lucky on Morning Teri...I waited through many fountains this summer and never got it.
08:03:42 <Kevin L™> Morning was yesterday afternoon.
08:04:21 <Eric> OF wants to go...
08:11:14 <Kevin L™> After that "gentleman" the other day I am NOT going to touch that one....
08:12:08 <Kevin L™> This give new meaning to the term "Beam me up Scotty"
08:15:02 <Eric> Those kids do awesome projects!
08:15:07 <Eric> OF ie
08:16:26 <ynpvisitor999®> that's fancy
08:16:43 <Kevin L™> That would be a fun piece.
08:16:57 <Dave from B™> I missed some trolls?
08:18:06 <Eric> You did?
08:18:53 <BSK> When Kevin mentioned "that gentleman," I believe he was speaking of the facially tattooed cone walker (pisser).
08:19:11 <Kevin L™> Yep
08:20:42 <Kevin L™> How was the trip Dave?
08:29:47 <Dave from B™> Wasn't he a real winner!
08:30:30 <Dave from B™> Kevin, it was, emotional roller coaster...good to be back to catch up at work and get ready for the holidays
08:30:36 <Kevin L™> Did you see they had to stop him near Cheyenne and had to resort to spike strips to do it?
08:30:52 <Kevin L™> How is the Son taking it?
08:31:32 <Dave from B™> For awhile, we thought he might be coming home but he is doing better now that classes started yesterday
08:31:59 <Dave from B™> He has only spent 1 night away from us in his life so it is a major adjustment for him
08:32:46 <Kevin L™> I bet. I think once he gets started he will have a good time.
08:36:37 <ynpvisitor27> Betty was not at Morning
08:37:30 <Kevin L™> Bummer. She comes close on a lot of things. Hope Giant cooperates today.
08:38:04 <ynpvisitor27> Not many people expected Morning yesterday, especially not a solo Morning.
08:50:00 <ynpvisitor18> I will be around for a bit. If someone will do a pm that has a place to post some pictures, I can post at least 2 rainy pictures from the top if the inn.
08:50:16 <ynpvisitor18> Give people that have never been up there to see what can be seen.
08:50:43 <ynpvisitor18> And no i do not do facebok
08:53:18 <ynpvisitor80> I don’t think the view is going to be as great as everyone thinks
08:53:57 <BSK> Flickr? Or if you don't do Flickr or any other sort of thing, you can send them to me and I can put them up on my website (labeled as by you).
08:53:57 <ynpvisitor80> It will be interesting to see. So glad the new cam cover will have a wiper though
08:54:16 <ynpvisitor80> It will be inaccessible in winter.
08:54:23 <Dave from B™> Aurum should be easier to see
08:54:34 <Dave from B™> Closeups of Grand will be better
08:54:39 <ynpvisitor999®> UNNG by Pump?
08:54:49 <BSK> I've been thinking the newly active areas might be easier to see from up there, too.
08:55:19 <BSK> Unless Lion obstructs that view...
08:55:20 <ynpvisitor999®> as in, did I see it starting an eruption from behind OF's plume?
08:55:27 <ynpvisitor80> Is this Betty’s last day?
08:55:36 <Dave from B™> Not sure about Daisy and Castle from Inn vantage point
08:55:42 <Kevin L™> I think it is
08:55:48 <ynpvisitor80> Would be nice if Giant went early for her
08:56:03 <Dave from B™> Has Betty seen any of the biggies on her trip?
08:56:05 <ynpvisitor80> Or F&M...
08:56:20 <ynpvisitor80> She’s missed the big 3
08:56:46 <Dave from B™> F&M already went today
08:56:55 <ynpvisitor80> Yes
08:56:56 <ynpvisitor18> She caught the end of SB.
08:57:19 <ynpvisitor80> I meant cam view about F&M, from top of Inn
08:57:40 <ynpvisitor80> She did not get any water phase of SB
08:57:49 <Dave from B™> Thanks 80...behind the trees will be different. Have to relearn spots all over again
08:58:19 <ynpvisitor80> Only later mixed water phase, which from the Rangers, sounded impressive
08:58:33 <ynpvisitor999®> I wonder what the viewing angle is of the new cam
08:58:50 <ynpvisitor80> At least the cam will not be silica slimed
08:59:05 <ynpvisitor80> Just ice will be interesting
08:59:30 <ynpvisitor...> I have been slimed by OF on top of the Inn.
09:00:00 <ynpvisitor80> What???
09:00:01 <ynpvisitor...> All depends on the wind
09:00:23 <ynpvisitor80> That seems like an outlier event
09:00:51 <ynpvisitor...> Not a clue. Only been up there three times
09:01:15 <ynpvisitor80> Looks like Micah was at Black Sand during F&M
09:04:55 <ynpvisitor18> DOes not look like Grand will be a clrear view. Castle a bit better as it is stil behind trees, Daisy does not look much better. Not sure about Riverside or F&M as there was what looks like steam from Grotto.
09:05:34 <ynpvisitor18> Hill is much better. OF is way different, and will not be in the way all of the time.
09:06:28 <ynpvisitor18> I will be away for about 20 minutes, then gone the rest of the day. No BH for me today.
09:08:18 <Dave from B™> How about a cam on top of the new vault toilet down basin? That would be fun...too bad no electricity down there
09:08:37 <Dave from B™> F&M, Rocket, Grotto, Riverside, Giant:)
09:09:12 <Kevin L™> Get a generator that runs on methane gas.
09:09:58 <Dave from B™> Great testing ground for about a solar powered one?
09:09:59 <BSK> Hah! And hide it in a bear box? It would be about that big.
09:10:47 <ynpvisitor18> Snow would be a problem for solar.
09:11:47 <BSK> The cam that we provide internet for for Research Institute is solar powered. The solar panel is about 5'5'. It charges an array of deep cell batteries stored in a big metal box (about the size of a bear box). In Missoula, those batteries don't get enough charge during winter months. The site is without power every morning until there is enough solar energy.
09:12:11 <Kevin L™> Do you have a link for the owl cam?
09:13:13 <BSK> Yes, and I'll find a photo of the solar panel & battery box to illustrate.
09:13:24 <ynpvisitor18> They should upgrade to Lithium. I believe they have better cold performance then lead.
09:13:43 <BSK>
09:14:03 <ynpvisitor999®> Aurum
09:14:04 <ynpvisitor999®> ,
09:14:05 <ynpvisitor999®> ,
09:14:06 <ynpvisitor999®> .
09:14:21 <Kevin L™> Aurum
09:14:29 <Eric> nice
09:14:52 <ynpvisitor999®> quite tall
09:15:55 <ynpvisitor...> Very good.
09:16:07 <Kevin L™> :)
09:16:19 <Kevin L™> This shows where the new feature is.
09:16:39 <BSK> If the cam would stop trying to focus on steam...
09:16:43 <Kevin L™> When OF steam isn't covering the workers anyway.
09:17:39 <Kevin L™> Looks like Doublet erupting
09:31:24 <BSK> Okay, turns out I don't have the photos of the solar panel and battery box handy. But I can take new photos or find them if there is interest in the setup for a solar powered cam setup.
09:33:33 <Dave from B™> BSk, I wanted to thank you for being a new driver. Just know we appreciate all the work that you do!
09:33:56 <BSK> Thanks. :) I'm enjoying it.
09:34:38 <ynpvisitor999®> Grand ie
09:34:42 <Kevin L™> It knows when you switch
09:34:48 <ynpvisitor999®> or ns rather
09:39:29 <ynpvisitor999®> Daisy
09:43:18 <ynpvisitor999®> whi cut the cable this time?
09:43:26 <ynpvisitor999®> nevermind
09:47:00 <ynpvisitor999®> SC
09:47:41 <Micah (computer> Are you sure? I didn't hear it called over the radio /s
09:47:50 <ynpvisitor999®> haha
09:48:27 <ynpvisitor999®> How have I missed that big fat white X...
09:48:51 <ynpvisitor999®> [i]sigh[/i]
09:48:51 <Kevin L™> Cam is not having a good day
09:49:06 <ynpvisitor4> webcam feed is down again
09:49:19 <Dave from B™> haha Micah
09:49:23 <Kevin L™> Controls too
09:49:55 <ynpvisitor999®> well... I guess we'll have to rely on the static then
09:49:57 <Dave from B™> So, why is so much care being taken to care for the old camera if it is getting replaced?
09:50:43 <ynpvisitor18> Practice
09:50:44 <ynpvisitor18> ?
09:51:13 <Dave from B™> Any chance it is being moved somewhere else in the park?
09:51:18 <ynpvisitor999®> and feed is back
09:51:30 <BSK> and gone again...
09:51:31 <ynpvisitor999®> and gone again
09:51:33 <ynpvisitor18> I looked and could not find mention of placement on the inn
09:51:40 <Micah (computer> I keep losing internet
09:51:50 <Micah (computer> So it's something with the whole system.
09:51:52 <Micah (computer> Joy
09:51:53 <ynpvisitor18> antone know for sure where it is going?
09:51:55 <Kevin L™> Micah broke it
09:52:22 <ynpvisitor999®> and back
09:52:28 <Micah (computer> I fixed it.
09:52:36 <ynpvisitor18> If they are realy moving the cam, get used to it.
09:53:21 <ynpvisitor999®> was the modem malfunctioning, or was it the classic 'foot near on/off switch'?
09:53:51 <ynpvisitor18> Squirrels looking for a winter home
09:53:57 <Kevin L™> If Micah had internet down it was ISP
09:54:06 <ynpvisitor4> took me a year to figure out where everything is on this cam and now they're going to move it?
09:54:15 <ynpvisitor...> Cam is visible directly below the American flag on the railing post
09:54:43 <Kevin L™> Not enough sun for a rainbow
09:54:45 <Dave from B™> Micah, I did spend about 2 hours on GH after we checked out Sunday morning. Changes were really fun to see
09:54:47 <Micah-lunch> Be back later.
09:54:57 <ynpvisitor999®> enjoy your lunch
09:55:09 <ynpvisitor18> Worse View of Grand and that direction then.
09:55:11 <Micah-lunch> As much as I can enjoy edr food.
09:55:19 <Kevin L™> :)
09:56:03 <ynpvisitor18> Not a verry good View of stuff on the other side of the inn either, not that it is important.
09:57:07 <ynpvisitor18> I would also be concerned about snow covering it. Not sure how much stacks up up there, or if it blows away.
09:57:48 <ynpvisitor...> The railing post blocks the view of the Myriad Group and the back parking lots. Biggest change is that you are looking down instead of across.
09:58:18 <Dave from B™> Will BHI be bloacked by BH?
09:58:22 <Dave from B™> blocked
09:58:29 <ynpvisitor...> No
09:58:33 <ynpvisitor18> The view of the hill should be great.
09:58:53 <ynpvisitor18> Everything is different up there for sure.
09:59:09 <ynpvisitor999®> I'm still curious about the viewing angle - as in, when on default position, is the Castle - Riverside area visible?
09:59:48 <ynpvisitor...> We will have to wait and see. We know Fluffy will be the default view.
10:00:11 <ynpvisitor...> By definition as they say in geometry. :)
10:00:30 <ynpvisitor18> 999, NO
10:00:58 <ynpvisitor18> Unless it is extreme wide angle and distorted.
10:01:14 <ynpvisitor18> The hill may not be a good view.
10:02:36 <ynpvisitor18> When you look at OF from that spot, you see the day lodge behind OF. Need to look to the left to see the hill.
10:03:05 <ynpvisitor18> My picture of the hill does nt even have OF in it.
10:04:48 <ynpvisitor18> Kevin, it looks like you may just be able to see the boardwalk by Aurum. Will have to wait to see as the cam is a few feet lower and closer then my picture.
10:05:02 <ynpvisitor999®> and there goes the feed again
10:05:29 <Kevin L™> It just came up for OF
10:08:38 <ynpvisitor999®> stream be choppy
10:09:35 <BSK> Yup. Connection suffering significant packet loss.
10:09:52 <ynpvisitor999®> and smooth again
10:10:02 <ynpvisitor999®> a few reloads did the trick
10:10:35 <ynpvisitor...> ~~~
10:10:46 <ynpvisitor18> By all, enjoy BH and Lion. Dave, I hope you do not get a knock on the door at Midnight from the kid wanting in.
10:11:01 <ynpvisitor999®> bye 18
10:11:01 <BSK> Yes, we see you...
10:11:21 <BSK> I think he heard me. :)
10:11:31 <ynpvisitor...> :)
10:12:30 <ynpvisitor999®> and that kid just fell
10:16:50 <Eric>'s not friday!
10:16:56 <ynpvisitor56> Friday?
10:17:10 <Eric> Overlook only gets looked at on fridays :-P
10:17:21 <ynpvisitor999®> Overlook Friday :)
10:17:22 <ynpvisitor56> i know - wishful thinking
10:17:35 <Kevin L™> What is a Friday?
10:18:20 <Eric> It's the day after Thursday
10:19:08 <ynpvisitor56> before saturday
10:19:18 <Eric> I appreciate an active cam op looking around though! Always cool to explore.
10:19:31 <Kevin L™> There are 6 Saturdays...
10:19:37 <ynpvisitor999®> especially if nothing's due
10:20:43 <Dave from B™> DG....If new cam is pointed at the hill you will see nothing downbasin
10:20:46 <ynpvisitor56> always good to explore and know the limits. never know where you might need to record activity.
10:21:19 <ynpvisitor56> HA! turn your #$%^* phone off....
10:22:15 <ynpvisitor999®> so no 360° cam? :(
10:22:45 <ynpvisitor999®> well... I guess the bandwidth couldn't support that anyway
10:42:15 <ynpvisitor39> Dave from B™, you make a good point that when pointed at the hill nothing will be seen down basin. In that regard, the current location is better to keep an eye on steam clouds
10:56:52 <Dave from B™> Sounds like we need both cameras on the Inn pointed in different directions!
10:57:40 <Dave from B™> I can imagine from a NPS perspective they want what's best for Old Faithful
10:58:12 <Dave from B™> I was hoping a new camera would be an addition not a substitute
10:59:27 <Kevin L™> You would just break it anyway.
10:59:50 <Dave from B™> Me?
11:00:00 <Kevin L™> yep
11:01:08 <Kevin L™> We expect that from you!
11:02:15 <Dave from B™> On a separate note, Harbor Freight had 2 hitch attachments that have worked great this summer: A 2 bike attachment and a storage attachment
11:04:23 <ynpvisitor80> Inn position will be a downgrade yet people have been making noise saying it will be the best, so they win
11:04:50 <ynpvisitor80> A real pole at current location would be so much better
11:05:18 <Dave from B™> wb Micah
11:05:36 <ynpvisitor80> Another Morning dual, it’s waking up.
11:05:49 <Micah> $&#*&#(@@
11:06:01 <Micah> Too. Many. Big. Geysers.
11:06:12 <Kevin L™> Hope Betty was there for that one.
11:06:18 <ynpvisitor39> ynpvisitor80, you get what you wish for
11:06:23 <Dave from B™> Micah, we can turn them all off for you
11:06:23 <ynpvisitor80> Your not showing Morning any love
11:06:25 <Eric> Glad Graham got Morning!
11:06:46 <ynpvisitor999®> I hope Betty was there
11:06:54 <Micah> Morning came into the "Micah's love banquet for big geysers" Last. Sorry 80.
11:06:59 <ynpvisitor80> I’m not wishing for the Inn 80, maybe what YOU wish for
11:07:16 <ynpvisitor80> You missed F&M too
11:07:22 <Micah> Great Geyser, I just don't have the energy to chase after it.
11:07:37 <ynpvisitor80> Betty missed Morning. Only Graham was there
11:07:39 <Eric> anemone misses you :-D
11:07:57 <ynpvisitor999®> ouch
11:08:02 <Micah> Eric I keep telling myself I'll do at least a several hour sit there before the end of the season...that's looking unlikely.
11:08:18 <ynpvisitor80> Betty is chasing Giant I think. I wish it would erupt yet it’s early...
11:08:37 <ynpvisitor999®> Giant needs more caffeine
11:08:39 <Micah> I can't teleport. And now that my bike is permanently out of commission for the rest of the season.
11:09:05 <ynpvisitor39> I don't wish for it, just commenting on the "suggestions" and complaints from here.
11:09:27 <ynpvisitor39> when is your end of season Micah?
11:09:41 <ynpvisitor80> Well the Inn was never a suggestion I would make
11:09:59 <Eric> Lucky guy, steveO had an F&M walkup from start.
11:10:02 <Kevin L™> You need one of these Dave:
11:10:33 <ynpvisitor80> And he got the solo Morning Eric
11:11:06 <Micah> End of my season is October 8.
11:11:31 <Dave from B™> haha..what kind of train car should I pull?
11:11:36 <ynpvisitor80> Will you stay longer?
11:13:13 <Micah> I'm staying an extra day, but that's it. My dad's flying into Jackson on the 9th, and we're starting the drive back home on the 10th.
11:13:40 <Kevin L™> You could do both storage and bikes Dave.
11:24:23 <ynpvisitor999®> Cistern is in overflow, with a trickle into the muddy pool
11:25:03 <Micah> Sounds like I've got one last chance for the Boat'
11:26:24 <Dave from B™> To Bellingham, I had a jumbo topper and hitch storage plus 5 people in the car. It was packed to the hilt
11:26:26 <ynpvisitor999®> I doubt it's going to do a 5 day interval seen the light overflow of Cistern. I'd say the best chance is around the 6-7 day interval
11:26:45 <Micah> I think so too
11:26:52 <Dave from B™> Micah, when you are going to SB?
11:27:07 <Micah> Probably Monday or Tuesday if it progresses.
11:27:12 <Micah> And also depending on other factors.
11:27:18 <Micah> I'd like to see Giant one last time.
11:27:57 <Dave from B™> When does the park close?
11:28:13 <Micah> First weekend of November.
11:31:28 <Dave from B™> I need a week to recover before I think about going to prison again
11:31:58 <Micah-Work> Have a good afternoon all. Off to the Desk.
11:32:14 <Kevin L™> Bye Micah
11:32:20 <ynpvisitor999®> bye Micah
11:32:23 <Kevin L™> You know you love it Dave
11:33:23 <Dave from B™> It's hard to stay away with all 4 biggies active
11:34:07 <Kevin L™> I will give you until Saturday...
11:34:47 <Dave from B™> :D
12:00:05 <ynpvisitor999®> Riverside
12:06:39 <ynpvisitor999®> I'm off for today. Have fun watching SC, Daisy and Geyser Hill
12:06:48 <Kevin L™> bye
12:21:38 <ynpvisitor39> Daisy
12:26:49 <ynpvisitor101> Maybe the new cam will be better at night and we can use it 24/7.
12:27:10 <ynpvisitor101> Can they afford to pay Kevin overtime?
12:30:19 <Kevin L™> I want double time!
12:31:30 <ynpvisitor12> How do gazers see Honey's Vent Geyser if it's so far off trail/boardwalk?
12:32:58 <ynpvisitor101> If the wide angle is close to 160 we may see more. If they can live with out zooming in on the princess.
12:33:49 <ynpvisitor12> Honey's Vent is in LGB. I had to look it up!
12:36:04 <Dave from B™> Honey's Vent....anyone else thinking Honey Pot (Porta potty) ? Or should I come home now?:)
12:36:30 <Kevin L™> I thought you got that field fixed.
12:36:33 <ynpvisitor12> I just happened to see it on Geyser Times
12:37:16 <ynpvisitor101> The vent and pot are different, possibly related. The vent is what releases the lovely aroma.
12:37:20 <Dave from B™> haha Kevin. Field is working great. It's just that porta potty companies have some of the best names
12:38:20 <Kevin L™> I still liked that porta potty on the trailer that took out the real one in my kid's figure 8 race.
13:02:58 <Kevin L™> Slow motion start.
13:05:35 <ynpvisitor101> Spilt Cone
13:05:46 <Craig Laptop™> o/
13:11:12 <ynpvisitor101> Bee Splashes.
13:11:49 <ynpvisitor101> Another 5 hours?
13:13:56 <ynpvisitor101> Long done.
13:17:22 <ynpvisitor101> We shoul dhave a better view of Sprinkler from the top.
13:17:56 <Kevin L™> Maybe Mugwump?
13:18:13 <ynpvisitor101> Is there a eta on the move?
13:18:47 <Kevin L™> If there is I haven't heard it
13:19:05 <ynpvisitor101> Will they put the cam on a big screen in the bar?
13:19:18 <Eric> Would be nice if someone could get a picture of the new cam and it's location.
13:19:48 <Kevin L™> They should. I know there is a dentist here that has it on big screen in his waiting room.
13:20:13 <Eric> That is awesome...I would totally go to that dentist :-P
13:20:20 <ynpvisitor101> Wasn't there a picture of the mount? Or was I dreaming
13:20:48 <Kevin L™> Every once in a while he shows up here under the name 2thGuy
13:20:56 <Eric> I could have missed it, I have been half here today.
13:21:14 <ynpvisitor101> not today. last few days
13:21:29 <Kevin L™> Micah should be able to help you Eric.
13:22:47 <ynpvisitor101> Call the desk and ask
13:24:21 <ynpvisitor101> Will we be able to see what the guy from Colorado saw with the new cam?
13:24:59 <ynpvisitor101> Or will we have to wait for the hd drone?
13:25:00 <Kevin L™> I am not sure I would want to see what he was seeong.
13:26:32 <ynpvisitor101> You would not pay 100 bucks to look inside OF? I think that is the going rate for a ticket.
13:26:56 <Kevin L™> I am not sure he was seeing OF.
13:27:20 <ynpvisitor101> Not having been on the cone, i would not know.
13:27:36 <ynpvisitor101> That is for the record
13:28:12 <Kevin L™> I think he was on something besides the cone...
13:28:15 <Dave from B™> I think he was looking for the WC
13:28:31 <Eric> No links to pictures of camera in the last 4 days.
13:28:47 <ynpvisitor101> Must have been a dreem
13:28:57 <Eric> I do that too 101 :-D
13:29:49 <ynpvisitor101> To the best of my recollection, that is what I remembered.
13:32:30 <Craig Laptop™> *something* putting off jetting steam in where I assume new breakout area is
13:35:28 <ynpvisitor101> Hope the new camera does not sway in the wind.
13:52:44 <ynpvisitor101> That truck was going kind of fast
14:21:22 <Eric> lots of people elk watching up at mammoth
14:30:21 <ynpvisitor101> Elk Rodeo?
14:31:51 <Dave from B™> During the fall, I think a bull elk is the biggest threat to human safety in YNP
14:33:15 <Kevin L™> And their sausage isn't as good as the bison either.
14:34:02 <Kevin L™> So is it quiet at home Dave?
14:37:02 <ynpvisitor101> Seems like Elk are. I would think Bison would be on top of the list, they must be away from people.
14:39:08 <ynpvisitor101> In Oregon, I think Cougar are ahead of Elk.
14:39:41 <Kevin L™> Those are sneaky animals and pretty brutal.
14:40:29 <ynpvisitor101> Someone should sell masks like they wear in India for Tigers.
14:41:02 <Dave from B™> Kevin, still at work. Glad we have dogs or it would REALLY be quiet
14:41:23 <ynpvisitor101> They could put speakers in them and sell them to joggers.
14:42:29 <Eric> generally cougars don't care about people from what I have seen. I know we had one incident this year, but I don't remember any cougar issues in my last almost 50 years of living in Oregon/Washington
14:43:04 <Eric> We had one hanging out in a tree in our of our parks last year :-P
14:43:16 <Eric> Right near the kids soccer fields.
14:44:12 <ynpvisitor101> Most of them never amount to injury. They do not like people. I think cause we have beady predator eyes like they do.
14:45:05 <ynpvisitor101> They even liked us less when we cased them with dogs.
14:45:30 <Dave from B™> Eric, sounds like you've worn out a pair of shoes in the pasyt 18 days
14:45:31 <Kevin L™> We have a few that show up here. Usually small pets disappear when they show up.
14:45:49 <ynpvisitor101> Something most cats in Oregon never experience any more, unless the state does it.
14:47:15 <ynpvisitor101> Well the circus is over, now the post circus show will start.
14:50:42 <ynpvisitor101> I am surprised more cats are not seen in the park. Other then the bears and wolfs making them nervous.
14:52:29 <Eric> I am working on it Dave :-D Looking forward to getting in a good gorge hike on Saturday.
14:52:56 <Kevin L™> Do you have your cat spray?
14:52:59 <Eric> I would really like to be able to do some serious hikes in the park next spring
14:54:08 <Dave from B™> I'm going to try to shed 20 over the next 6 months. Starting today. I've exercised very little in the last 12 months and it really shows
14:54:16 <Eric> Being able to do a 20 mile thru hike is my goal.
14:54:28 <Eric> daisy
14:55:15 <ynpvisitor101> Cat nip Hai Karate aftershave?
14:55:52 <Dave from B™> Sounds like Shoshone
14:55:55 <Kevin L™> You are dating yourself 101
14:58:41 <ynpvisitor101> I no longer date, however I am old. I also remember the Noelco commercials.
14:59:09 <Kevin L™> How about Ovaltine?
14:59:36 <ynpvisitor101>
15:00:08 <Kevin L™> I remember that one well.
15:00:36 <ynpvisitor101> Ovaltine was never big in our house. Can not remember ever seeing a package. The quick bunny however.
15:01:36 <ynpvisitor101> Speedy.
15:01:38 <ynpvisitor39> how about Howdy Doody?
15:02:43 <ynpvisitor39> SC ie
15:02:57 <ynpvisitor101> As opposed to this Speedy.
15:05:03 <Dave from B™> Do you guys remember the Alamo?:)
15:05:18 <Dave from B™> How about the Boston Tea Party?
15:06:25 <ynpvisitor101> Doody had said his last howdy before me. Wild kingdom and Wonderful World of Disney. wether actual or created.
15:06:55 <ynpvisitor101> Kevin was one of the Indians on the boat.
15:07:07 <ynpvisitor39> You are still a youngster! :)
15:07:30 <ynpvisitor101> The did not have decaffeinated Tea back then.
15:08:04 <Dave from B™> I saw a rotary phone and a phone booth on my trip!
15:08:56 <ynpvisitor39> Wow! where
15:09:02 <BSK> My cousin bought a house with a rotary phone downstairs a couple years ago. Her kids were amazed. Coolest thing ever, to them.
15:09:23 <ynpvisitor101> How about just saying I do not remember anything but color TV. If you excuse the small portables that is. All 5 channels.
15:09:51 <Dave from B™> How about having to get up and change the channel?
15:10:52 <Dave from B™> 39, I believe the phone booth and rotary phone were in Victoria, BC (not in the same place)
15:11:16 <Kevin L™> When I was a kid I WAS the remote control
15:11:26 <ynpvisitor45> :)
15:11:39 <ynpvisitor39> My first phone number was easy, just pick up the reciever and ask for 37
15:11:57 <Kevin L™> BTW I do have ancestors that were on the Mayflower.
15:12:18 <Kevin L™> Mine was Frontier 4-8633
15:12:18 <ynpvisitor101> I also remember this on TV. This Concludes Our Broadcast Day. Sorry could not find any old video.
15:12:52 <ynpvisitor39> and then test patterns
15:12:56 <Kevin L™> How about the horizontal and vertical hold?
15:13:14 <ynpvisitor101> We had a remote that I can remember. You could change channels by clinking change on the floor.
15:13:33 <ynpvisitor101> Kevin that was an oxymoron. They never did hold.
15:13:55 <Dave from B™> I use to cuss trying to adjust the hold
15:14:01 <Kevin L™> First remote I ever saw would change channels when you turned on the vacuum cleaner.
15:14:34 <Kevin L™> Who was the idiot that put the horizontal hold on the back?
15:14:36 <ynpvisitor39> that caused much cussing
15:14:52 <ynpvisitor101> I am going to date myself. I remember when the news was news, and not entertainment. They could even do live broadcasts in a few minutes and say something important.
15:15:16 <Kevin L™> Only 3 channels that had more things I wanted to watch than the 500 we have now.
15:15:47 <Kevin L™> And it didn't take a committee of 8 to do the news.
15:16:01 <ynpvisitor101> They had races on Sunday. and more Olympic coverage then now.
15:16:22 <ynpvisitor39> there hasn't been any thing important on yhe news in a thousand years, it seems
15:16:31 <Kevin L™> The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat....
15:16:45 <ynpvisitor101> Their feet always hurt
15:17:06 <ynpvisitor39> good olympic coverage
15:17:18 <ynpvisitor101> They even had time to show Bowling.
15:17:49 <ynpvisitor39> today they have curling
15:18:03 <ynpvisitor101> 3 network channels, no 24 hour coverage, and more content. What happened?
15:18:59 <Kevin L™> Curling is good.
15:19:08 <ynpvisitor39> :)
15:19:23 <Kevin L™> and NO scumbucket lawyer or drug ads!
15:19:44 <ynpvisitor101> If you did not like what was on TV, you could always find something on the radio.
15:20:14 <ynpvisitor39> the shadow knows
15:20:24 <ynpvisitor101> And somehow people found time to read and play games with friends.
15:21:24 <ynpvisitor101> Is that a buff, or just a big black thing?
15:21:29 <ynpvisitor101> over spit cone
15:21:35 <Kevin L™> This is Digger O'Dell, the friendly undertaker...
15:22:52 <ynpvisitor101> tree, thanks
15:23:04 <ynpvisitor45> BBT
15:23:06 <ynpvisitor101> at least looks like a tree
15:23:19 <ynpvisitor39> tree
15:23:36 <ynpvisitor39> been there awhile
15:23:41 <ynpvisitor39> :)
15:23:45 <ynpvisitor101> We will find all kinds of new trees when they move the cam.
15:24:55 <ynpvisitor101> non-human animal viewing will be much better. I predict we will see bears next year or when ever we get the new cam.
15:25:09 <Kent> Did they attempt to clean the cam today?
15:25:17 <ynpvisitor39> no
15:25:27 <Kent> Thanks
15:25:59 <ynpvisitor101> Will miss 5 o'clock Charley though. What ever happened to him and limpy?
15:27:12 <ynpvisitor101> Hope the wolves did not get them.
15:30:17 <ynpvisitor101> Grand next Turban?
15:30:25 <Eric> unng17?
15:31:08 <ynpvisitor101> Is that the same as hole in the boardwalk? The geyser with a native name
15:31:30 <ynpvisitor39> I must have minutes delay
15:31:41 <Michael> Looked like the steam cloud formerly known as Pump, so maybe.
15:33:15 <ynpvisitor101> What would the Nimiipuu name be for Hole in the Boardwalk?
15:35:08 <Kevin L™> Grand
15:37:04 <ynpvisitor39> too many things in the window
15:37:06 <ynpvisitor101> I should sell my Crystal ball.
15:37:26 <ynpvisitor101> Any offers, guaranteed to have worked once.
15:38:29 <ynpvisitor39> 1 used tea bag?
15:38:52 <ynpvisitor101> All those people missing Grand cause they have reservations at the Geyser Grill.
15:39:09 <ynpvisitor101> From Boston Harbor?
15:39:14 <BSK> Bagged tea isn't good for prognosticating. But I've got a fortune cookie!
15:39:31 <ynpvisitor39> not quite
15:40:22 <ynpvisitor101> Cookie no good, has last weeks loto numbers from the Irish Sweepstakes.
15:50:09 <ynpvisitor39> unng
15:50:18 <ynpvisitor39> no
15:51:45 <ynpvisitor39> BHI
15:52:23 <ynpvisitor101> Good eyes
15:52:34 <Eric> look for unng in about 15 minutes I think
15:52:37 <ynpvisitor101> Kind of whimpy
15:53:24 <ynpvisitor101> Like this.
15:54:08 <ynpvisitor101> I tot I saw water from the boardwalk.
15:55:01 <ynpvisitor101> Will we see a race by Lion from the Grand watchers?
15:55:22 <Kevin L™> Maybe a triple
15:55:50 <ynpvisitor101> A trippl eor Trifecta
15:56:10 <ynpvisitor101> Long way to BH from Castle
15:56:43 <ynpvisitor101> This may be hard to get from the top of the inn.
15:57:51 <ynpvisitor101> A walker
15:58:06 <ynpvisitor101> first one, will see if they set at BH
16:01:20 <Kevin L™> Depression may also be ie. Steam down the channel.
16:01:42 <ynpvisitor101> Are we going to have an unatended BH?
16:03:37 <baw> :bee:
16:03:49 <ynpvisitor101> Sad day in the park.
16:05:49 <ynpvisitor101> Enjoy BH through OF steam, will nothave it when the cam moves
16:06:11 <Casey> Where is it moving to?
16:06:38 <ynpvisitor101> Top of the in from reports
16:06:42 <ynpvisitor101> inn
16:07:01 <ynpvisitor101> No more hidden Lions, or midnight is that Lion or BH?
16:07:32 <Casey> Wow. Drastically different perspective.
16:07:57 <Michael> No more overnight eruptions downbasin. I imagine the slepp position will be facing Old Faithful.
16:08:09 <ynpvisitor101> I can tell you are not a politician.
16:08:22 <ynpvisitor101> Unless it is wide angle
16:09:39 <ynpvisitor101> Or someone makes the intelegent decicion that night time Static is good enough for OF.
16:09:48 <BSK> Good show to end my viewing day on. :)
16:10:16 <ynpvisitor101> Did I just use the word Intelligent in reference to that?
16:10:39 <ynpvisitor101> You are not sticking for Lion?
16:11:43 <ynpvisitor101> Time for Eats, and I am out of Bison Burger to make Nachos out of.
16:12:18 <Michael> Of course there should be room for an OF/Hill camera and a downbasin camera up there. Just need to upgrade the network connection.
16:12:27 <Michael> Then everybody wins!
16:14:05 <ynpvisitor101> Like someone would donate a fiber line to OF so people could see geysers.
16:15:47 <ynpvisitor101> They could sell naming rights to NG to Google and all the visitors could get free wifi.
16:16:07 <Michael> :)
16:17:22 <ynpvisitor101> Well, enjoy Castle Steam and Aurum. Got to go.
16:17:33 <Michael> See you, 101.
16:18:51 <ynpvisitor39> It would be pocket change for Gates, Zuck or Page
16:30:29 <Michael> Somehow I'll bet the fundraising would be the easy part. Wish I had any idea how to navigate red tape though.
16:32:34 <ynpvisitor39> raise enough money and red tape will disappear
16:34:40 <ynpvisitor39> unng
16:53:08 <ynpvisitor51> At Gettysburg the nongoverment partners pay for much of the work directly to avoid the goverment procurment and buget issues.
16:57:12 <ynpvisitor51> The Freinds of the National Park at Gettysburg paid to have the utility lines along Emmitsburg road buried (through the fields of Pickets Charge).
17:12:19 <Kevin L™> Beautiful sunset
17:18:39 <Michael> Aurum
17:18:40 <Michael> .
17:18:41 <Michael> .
17:18:42 <Michael> .
17:31:10 <Michael> Daisy
17:36:24 <Michael> OF
17:52:38 <ynpvisitor97> lion
17:52:40 <ynpvisitor39> Liom
17:52:50 <ynpvisitor39> ini
19:03:38 <Kevin L™> radar showing snow in NE corner of hte park.
21:23:28 <ynpvisitor17> Grand next Turban. See if that Crystal Ball I bought earlier still works.
21:27:12 <ynpvisitor17> Lion this turban, IE
21:34:20 <ynpvisitor17> Aliens
21:38:10 <ynpvisitor17> Why would anyone with a super light leave grand?
21:40:34 <ynpvisitor17> weeeeeeee
21:41:06 <ynpvisitor17> Crystal ball for sale. Works well
21:41:32 <ynpvisitor17> no light on Grand.
21:41:59 <ynpvisitor17> Now a light
21:42:07 <ynpvisitor17> small light
21:57:52 <ynpvisitor17> Will have to see if there is an in-basin report. Not sure if there was a second, or just the final gasps. Looked like a pause in the steam cloud at te right place for a second.
21:57:57 <ynpvisitor17> over and out