Showing logs for date: 2019-12-03
06:53:35 <Joe> Aurum 0652
06:56:22 <Cooper> Good Morning
07:01:42 <Joe> Forget the Aurum 0652 just splashing
07:03:19 <Kat> Morning Joe
07:03:25 <Kat> and all
07:03:35 <Joe> Hi Kat
07:04:10 <Kat> Hope all is well! Glad you picked up the hours for Linda
07:04:39 <Joe> Looks as if you will have a good view this morning :)
07:06:10 <Kat> Hoping so, not so good yesterday!
07:06:34 <Joe> It is rare for me to have appointments on Friday afternoon, so it will work
07:08:18 <Joe> Bee surprised me last night, there is a video attached
07:08:57 <Kat> Great! That was along interval
07:15:16 <Kat> Nice nighttime Bee
07:16:02 <Kat> AL
07:42:05 <Kat> OF
07:43:10 <Dave from B™> Good morning everyone
07:44:01 <Mike J> Good morning Dave. Good morning everyone.
07:44:21 <ynpvisitor56> And it was a good knight too!
07:44:59 <Kat> Hi Mike, Dave
07:45:20 <Mike J> Hi Kat
07:45:52 <Kat> Hey Kevin
07:47:11 <Dave from B™> Kevin, Knights coming to NY for Thurs night game
07:51:46 <Kevin L™🌵> We like NY!
07:54:05 <Kat> Sun over Electric Peak pretty
07:58:41 <Kat> Bulger
08:08:30 <Joe> Hi Ryan, Where are you working??
08:08:47 <Kat> LC
08:09:28 <Ryan(work)> My engineering job :) 3 monitors, y'all are up on the far left lol
08:09:45 <Joe> Nice!!
08:09:54 <Kat> :)
08:10:12 <Kevin L™🌵> Great Ryan!
08:10:36 <Ryan(work)> No noise for dings though, so I am only here every now and then
08:11:02 <Kevin L™🌵> What type of engineering?
08:11:21 <Ryan(work)> Welding engineer with explosive cladding
08:12:05 <Kevin L™🌵> Sounds fun.
08:13:05 <Kevin L™🌵> I loved watching the field welds on the railroad.
08:15:02 <Ryan(work)> We, literally, explode ours together
08:16:15 <Kevin L™🌵> What do you weld?
08:19:24 <Ryan(work)> Sheet metal
08:19:39 <Ryan(work)>
08:20:14 <Kevin L™🌵> I will have to check that out.
08:21:57 <CraigC> finally something showing on the SB temp logger..... 5 1/2 days out from last eruption
08:24:16 <Dave from B™> Must have been quite the ice buildup
08:24:25 <CraigC> hey Dave
08:24:30 <Dave from B™> Morning Craig
08:25:05 <Kat> Hi Craig
08:25:29 <ynpvisitor91> the last eruption had water back about 5.5 days too
08:26:55 <Ryan(work)> Actual water back, or just enough to finally melt the dam?
08:27:29 <Dave from B™> I think enough to melt the dam
08:28:41 <ynpvisitor91> don't think we will ever know without being there
08:28:48 <Cooper> way
08:29:41 <Kat> AL
08:30:07 <Ryan(work)> you could compare summer traces and compare. IF you have a sudden spike to overflow temps you may be melting a dam. I think the summer traces were a bit more gradual when the logger got first trickles.
08:30:58 <CraigC> hey Kat
08:32:09 <CraigC> arty
08:32:16 <Kat> Arty ie
08:32:27 <Kat> Riverside
08:32:52 <CraigC> gotta run
08:33:12 <Kat> Bye Craig
08:35:46 <Kat> Sun peeking through the Washburn cam
08:47:02 <Kat> Sprinkler
08:50:45 <Kat> Bulger
08:51:35 <Katie> mornin
08:51:42 <Kat> Hi Katie
08:51:58 <Kevin L™🌵> hi
08:53:03 <Kat> Katie, Sorry about your Christmas gift problem!
08:59:31 <Ryan(work)> lunch time
09:05:18 <Kevin L™🌵> OF ie static
09:07:12 <Kat> Caught it on static at 0904
09:13:20 <Katie> Thanks, Kat. It was disappointing, for sure.
09:30:50 <Kat> Probably missed Daisy during the OF
09:49:36 <Cooper> SB Temp "updated" you can see first water
09:50:48 <Kat> AB and Al
10:00:43 <Kevin L™🌵> Looks like you saved Grand for me.
10:00:58 <Ryan(work)> I dont think thats first water
10:01:10 <Kat> I did! I think we missed Diasy
10:01:12 <Ryan(work)> I think it melted an ice dam. The temperature stayed at 32°F for days
10:01:37 <Kat> Have a good afternoon!
10:01:43 <Kat> bbl
10:03:39 <Ryan(work)>
10:04:28 <Ryan(work)> Yeah, comparing to the last two: you'd see dinural temp swings, noise, and spikes. and if the logger died you'd see a perfectly straight line. The last few days looks like an ice dam.
10:05:18 <Ryan(work)> Daisy
10:05:33 <Ryan(work)> 1004
10:06:11 <ynpvisitor91> so you are saying the first water didn't melt the dam. I don't follow that
10:06:38 <Ryan(work)> I dont think first melted the dam, no.
10:07:28 <ynpvisitor91> why not?
10:07:55 <Ryan(work)> The first trickles down the channel wouldnt be enough to instantly melt the dam. The first trickles themselves are probably also under 40°F or close to freezing by the time they get down to the logger. The ground is a massive heat sink.
10:09:25 <Ryan(work)> The logger could even be under the ice, which the runoff trickles may even have been adding to. Slow trickles of cold water can freeze and build ice more than was already there. Given the time delay from the last eruption, I think its very possible that first water happened hours before.
10:10:57 <Dave from B™> Yep, and the time it would take to melt the ice dam will vary from eruption to eruption as well
10:11:08 <Ryan(work)> The Oblong logger used to have a similar problem. Ice dams would form from the pre-eruptive overflow and sometimes get too big and we would miss eruptions.
10:11:46 <Ryan(work)> It was a nightmare to process Oblong data, and had to be done manually because you couldn't program a code to find an ice dam.
10:11:59 <ynpvisitor91> it seems normal to me, about 15C then a few hours later the minors begin in earnest
10:12:31 <Ryan(work)> It was at 0°C
10:12:47 <Ryan(work)> For 4 and a half days
10:13:06 <ynpvisitor91> no I mean the 15C spikes showing yesterday
10:15:47 <Ryan(work)> Its been between 9 and 28 degrees F the last few days. The logger would have shown that if it wasnt encased in ice. And ice does not instantly melt from runoff from that distance.
10:16:18 <Ryan(work)> And minors begin before runoff is logged.
10:16:42 <Ryan(work)> North Vent can have a lot of water in it well before the SV runoff channel has anything to log.
10:17:41 <ynpvisitor91> if that's true then why didn't those minors appear at 20 30 and 40C
10:18:24 <Ryan(work)> Because the runoff is likely being cooled by ice still in the runoff channel.
10:18:55 <Ryan(work)> When I was there in October the runoff on the first day of water was literally going down through an ice trough for the last 40ft before the bridge.
10:19:19 <ynpvisitor91> so by that reasoning your prediction would be earlier than time after "first water"
10:19:37 <Ryan(work)> That was after a day of -3 to +15 deg temps. I am sure you have similar conditions now, or worse with colder temps for longer periods/.
10:19:52 <Ryan(work)> I dont have a prediction, and if I did it would be off of first water :)
10:20:36 <Joe> and
10:20:45 <Joe> Grand
10:21:24 <ynpvisitor91> Oct 5 had minors showing at 15C then hours later the temp rose
10:22:13 <Ryan(work)> Eruption after that
10:22:29 <Ryan(work)> Oct 5 wasnt freezing temps yet.
10:22:56 <Ryan(work)> My observations were from Oct 11 after three really cold days.
10:23:02 <Ryan(work)> And lots of snow.
10:23:23 <ynpvisitor91> K let me look at the later ones
10:24:49 <Betty> morning all
10:24:51 <Kevin L™🌵> Guten tag
10:25:00 <Eric> Morning all
10:25:02 <Betty> hi Kevin
10:25:10 <Betty> hi Eric
10:25:18 <Eric> I agree with your assessment Ryan
10:25:25 <Eric> on the SB logger
10:25:29 <Kevin L™🌵> Everyone coming for Grand?
10:25:41 <LindaG> Hello all!
10:25:43 <Ryan(work)> Keep in mind that at low flow rates (like the start of minor overflow at SB) that flow rate does not correlate to temperature with any discernable relationshio; especially with factors like temperature, wind, snow, rain, and the distance from the vent to the logger.
10:25:46 <Ryan(work)> Thanks, Eric.
10:25:53 <Eric> Ice dam or probe just encased in ice
10:26:04 <LindaG> Ive been lurking
10:26:06 <Eric> I think we will see normal activity on tonights reading
10:26:15 <Betty> hi LindaG
10:26:24 <LindaG> Betty, hi
10:26:26 <Ryan(work)> Or both. Its near the bridge structure and those feet make great nucleation sites for ice buildups.
10:26:26 <Betty> hey Ryan(work) :-)
10:27:31 <Eric> Yep...and the temp stopped fluctuating at we know air temp isn't affecting it.
10:27:40 <Ryan(work)> Its evident that the 32F constant temp for 4.5 days is ice build up. Thats almost impossible to attain under any other conditions, including logger failure. The question remains then if initial water down the channel is enough to melt the ice dam instantly and my general thought on that is "Not unless the first minor was a false start."
10:27:44 <Eric> A nice thick layer of ice someplace
10:28:44 <Eric> It's all process...not sure we could ever determine "initial water"
10:29:00 <Eric> without probes stuck down the throat
10:29:19 <Eric> But all seems "normal" to me :-D
10:34:19 <Eric> turkey106 wins the prize for longest living turkey
10:34:34 <Eric> ohh, wooops, turkey83 is still here too
10:35:31 <Eric> Glad Joe caught BH overnight
10:37:39 <Joe> Eric, there is a video attached
10:38:23 <Eric> I saw that...but don't even need to watch it if you said it erupted, I believe you :-D
10:41:50 <Joe> :)
10:42:19 <Dave from B™> I don't know...someone should be keeping an eye on Joe:) He stands to make a lot of money seeing geysers in the middle of the night.
10:48:57 <Joe> /
11:25:25 <Eric> Mt. St. Helens is looking nice today -
11:27:20 <Kevin L™🌵> Looks like Mt Fitzherbert to me.
11:28:04 <Dave from B™> If the Head Ranger job opens up there, I will nominate you, Eric
11:28:44 <Eric> Thanks Dave :-P
11:29:32 <Betty> you´re so kind Dave
11:30:13 <Dave from B™> I'd do anything for Eric:)
11:30:24 <Betty> :-)
11:31:20 <Dave from B™> You, too Betty...I would even feed you something better than tater tots:D
11:32:19 <Betty> hahaha, I was really fine with the tater tods. Thomas and I loved them
11:33:00 <Kevin L™🌵> Did you every try Arby's potato cakes Betty?
11:33:11 <Betty> nope
11:33:42 <Kevin L™🌵> They are like giant flat tater tots. I like to dip them in Arby's sauce.
11:34:14 <Betty> like Schweizer Rösti?
11:34:43 <Kevin L™🌵>
11:35:33 <Betty> yes, look like Rösti
11:36:01 <Kevin L™🌵> Not quite as big though.
11:36:48 <Betty> yep
11:37:00 <Eric> Better than tater tots?!?!? You surely are joking.
11:37:21 <Dave from B™> I'm not a potato cake fan
11:37:49 <Eric> Beer and tots are a magical combination.
11:39:46 <Betty> it was a perfect evening, Eric
11:41:36 <Dave from B™> You know, I'm only teasing
11:42:21 <Kevin L™🌵> Dave like those Rocky Mountain Oysters.
11:42:40 <Dave from B™> yuck
11:42:54 <Eric> I have never had one...they good kevin?
11:43:04 <Eric> We do have a testical festival in Portland
11:43:07 <Kevin L™🌵> I wouldn't know.
11:43:15 <Betty> lol
11:43:33 <Eric> Features all kinds of animal testicals.
11:44:09 <Dave from B™> Me, neither, Kevin
11:44:25 <Dave from B™> There are a few of those festivals in MT
11:44:28 <Kevin L™🌵> Another reason to do a little research on local food before you order.
11:44:53 <Dave from B™> EXACTLY
11:45:03 <Eric> :-D
11:45:11 <Dave from B™> Especially in a foriegn country
11:45:11 <Eric> Might be the best thing you ever tried
11:45:33 <Dave from B™> Not something I want to get hooked on but I can get you a case if you want some.
11:45:44 <Betty> taste blind :-)
11:46:01 <Eric> Hmmm, I think someone else would have to cook it for me.
11:46:21 <Kevin L™🌵> I'll take cod any day
11:48:59 <Dave from B™> It tastes like chicken
11:52:30 <Y Me> A testical festival? Not a testicle festivle?
11:56:57 <Dave from B™> So, will SB interval increase for the 5th consecutive time?
11:59:43 <Dave from B™> It has not had 5 consecutive increases in this active phase.
12:10:09 <Betty> OF
12:10:31 <Kevin L™🌵> 1209
12:11:57 <LindaG> Hi old faithful
12:19:32 <Kevin L™🌵> For Eric:
12:21:56 <Eric> Nice Kevin! I could have my own festival :-P
12:39:47 <Dave from B™> That must be the animal rights "testicle" festival
12:43:16 <Joe> Bulger
13:16:16 <Kevin L™🌵> Lot of splashing for this early
13:34:37 <Kevin L™🌵> Aurum
13:34:39 <Kevin L™🌵> .
13:34:40 <Kevin L™🌵> .
13:34:41 <Kevin L™🌵> .
13:34:42 <Kevin L™🌵> .
13:35:03 <Betty> and you call it :-)
13:35:27 <Kevin L™🌵> Now if the cam would quit failing
13:35:28 <Betty> nice
13:35:54 <Y Me> Coating the railings
13:37:04 <Betty> I cannot remember when streaming was smooth for me for the last time. I think it is more than 2 years of choppyness and lagging :-(
13:43:21 <Kevin L™🌵> It is frustrating.
13:56:50 <Kevin L™🌵> My Thanksgiving:
13:58:55 <ynpvisitor6> :lion:
13:59:36 <Kevin L™🌵> Nice one
14:01:14 <Betty> too funny :-)
14:04:26 <Ryan(work)> later guys
14:05:26 <Kevin L™🌵> Bye Ryan
14:32:46 <Kevin L™🌵> Castle
14:34:15 <Betty> your Lion needs a wc
14:34:57 <Kevin L™🌵> Thanks
14:36:23 <LindaG> Kevin L™🌵, hi I'll be here at 16:00
14:43:13 <Kevin L™🌵> Riverside
14:44:19 <Kevin L™🌵> OK
14:45:40 <Kevin L™🌵> Castle is looking like a major
14:46:00 <Eric> Nice Castle
15:05:36 <LindaG> Daisy?
15:05:40 <LindaG> Yes
15:05:53 <Kevin L™🌵> Yes
15:06:07 <Kevin L™🌵> It was hiding
15:06:08 <LindaG> There it is
15:06:40 <LindaG> Sure was
15:07:06 <Dave from B™> there are still 2 turkeys hanging around
15:07:28 <Dave from B™> And, I'm not talking about you, Kevin!
15:07:31 <Kat> Not me! hahaha
15:08:02 <Dave from B™> Kat, have you recovered from your fall?
15:08:04 <LindaG> Once a Turkey always a Turkey 😉
15:09:53 <Kevin L™🌵> And now a word from our sponsor....
15:10:24 <LindaG> 😊
15:10:28 <Kat> I did - went to the doc today and now will be scheduled for a knee replacement - sometime after the first of the year! Unrelated to fall
15:10:48 <LindaG> Kat, hi
15:10:54 <Kevin L™🌵> That does not sound fun.
15:16:05 <Betty> time for some sleep, night all
15:16:10 <Kat> Hi LInda, Kevin Dave and all!
15:16:23 <Kevin L™🌵> Good knight
15:16:28 <Betty> hi and bye, Kat
15:16:31 <Kevin L™🌵> hi
15:16:32 <Kat> Hi Betty 0 night Betty!
15:16:45 <LindaG> Betty, bye
15:16:51 <Betty> OFF
15:17:08 <Betty> no, OF
15:17:18 <LindaG> 😀
15:17:27 <Kat> :lol:
15:17:33 <Betty> maybe indy or Lion too
15:17:53 <LindaG> My spell correct always changes it to IF
15:17:58 <Kat> Maybe too soon for INdy
15:18:09 <Betty> think Lion
15:18:37 <Dave from B™> Hope it goes well, Kat
15:18:55 <Betty> if you can check, Lion ie 1516. night now :-)
15:19:13 <Kat> It's a ways off -will keep allposted
15:20:53 <Kat> Looks like Lions end?
15:21:42 <ynpvisitor36> Knees are easy if you have the right doctor and antinationalist.
15:22:02 <ynpvisitor36> They can even make you taller or shorter if you want.
15:22:52 <Kat> Well right mow my right leg is about 3/4 inch shorter than the left due to multiple injuries - wold like to stand up straight!
15:23:21 <Kat> now*
15:23:32 <ynpvisitor36> Most people start with the doctor. Go find a good therapist that works with knee replacements and ask them what doctor to go to.
15:23:57 <Kat> I have done plenty of research and found the best here!
15:24:34 <Kat> As a reired nurse/healthcare adminstrator I do my homwowrk for sure :)
15:25:55 <ynpvisitor36> Most people do not.
15:26:50 <Katie> We are lobbying for a "family discount" with the ortho surgeon who replaced both of my grandm's hips (one twice - long story - not his fault), my dad's hip, my uncle's hip, my aunt's knee, and this Friday, my dad's knee.
15:27:12 <Katie> I'm going to need hip, I anticipate, before too awfully long. I want the "good customer family" discount!
15:27:52 <Katie> Oh, and both of grandma's knees - she ended up as bionic woman. both hips and both knees (done at 6 week intervals)
15:27:55 <ynpvisitor36> Maybe you can get a deal on one of the used hips?
15:28:55 <Katie> Well, grandma's are buried with her and the rest are still in use, so...
15:29:18 <ynpvisitor36> Well, off to other things. Enjoy the steam
15:29:21 <Katie> indy?
15:29:52 <Eric> nope
15:29:55 <Katie> nope, just splahsing
15:30:01 <Kevin L™🌵> Been splashing most of the day
15:30:42 <Kat> Family discount - I shold look into that Katie.
15:30:46 <Kat> should*
15:32:05 <Kat> I have been putting this off for years. Would like to be up and gong strong before Spring Yellowstone trip!
15:32:27 <Kat> If I don't fix it I will eb looking at hips too
15:32:39 <Kat> be* Can't spell tonight
15:42:23 <Dave from B™> The only thing I'm missing is an appendix...well, except some say I'm missing a few screws.
15:42:46 <Kat> Hehehe
15:43:08 <Kevin L™🌵> You have those Dave, they are just a bit loose.
15:43:17 <Kat> :)
15:43:37 <Kat> Like most of us!
15:47:27 <LindaG> Oh sold a bunch of stuff on Ebay last few weeks, its fun!
15:54:12 <LindaG> So bee is on the darkside
15:54:52 <Kevin L™🌵> Keep an eye on it. Been having big splashes.
15:55:11 <LindaG> Ok, good to know
16:00:37 <LindaGp> Got it
16:00:39 <Dave from B™> Problems with SB logger?
16:00:47 <Dave from B™> Today's log is mostly empty
16:01:07 <Kevin L™🌵> Was just going to say released. You are quick!
16:01:36 <LindaGp> Kevin L™🌵, 😊
16:02:46 <Eric> I am not seeing any new stats
16:04:34 <ynpvisitor112> looks too early for SB logger data, maybe in an hour
16:07:26 <LindaGp> Turban?
16:07:54 <LindaGp> Arty steaming
16:08:42 <Eric> Yep, I thought 1700 was the update hour
16:17:34 <LindaGp> LC ie
16:20:36 <LindaGp> Turban?
16:21:20 <ynpvisitor12> would have been a nice time for Grand
16:21:49 <LindaGp> Yep
16:22:31 <LindaGp> should be soon hopefully not the same time as Of
16:22:50 <Eric> lion
16:22:50 <LindaGp> Lion roar
16:23:00 <Eric> burp
16:26:42 <LindaGp> A peep
16:31:08 <Kevin L™🌵> Doggies
16:34:55 <LindaGp> Turban?
16:35:33 <Kevin L™🌵> Something is going
16:36:08 <LindaGp> But not grand☹
16:36:36 <Kevin L™🌵> Waiting for OF
16:36:59 <LindaGp> 4 mins till OF
16:37:14 <LindaGp> Sad
16:50:34 <LindaGp> It always takes its time with grand
16:56:05 <LindaGp> OF
16:57:24 <ynpvisitor12> freeze frame OF
16:59:46 <ynpvisitor12> to Grand we go...
17:00:19 <ynpvisitor12> ie
17:00:25 <LindaGp> I GUESS that is grand
17:00:34 <ynpvisitor12> yes
17:00:38 <ynpvisitor12> no guessing
17:03:31 <Eric> How Grand!
17:03:41 <Eric> updated norris logger data
17:05:30 <ynpvisitor12> thanks Eric. Looking like we will get another eruption
17:05:58 <Eric> least we are seeing water in the system again.
17:06:20 <ynpvisitor12> seems to be following the same path as this prior month
17:06:48 <ynpvisitor12> Grand, however, seems to be done
17:06:48 <Eric> Yep, I don't see anything really unusual so far
17:07:27 <ynpvisitor12> now look for it at 8-9 days instead of 6-7
17:07:47 <ynpvisitor12> So at least we got part of Grand after OF
17:08:42 <Eric> Not even going to guess at SB from logger data...first time we have had a winter working logger so not much to compare to.
17:08:47 <LindaGp> Some grand is better than none
17:08:59 <ynpvisitor12> yes Linda
17:09:47 <LindaGp> little splash from bee
17:10:55 <ynpvisitor12> steady traffic into West Gate
17:11:05 <ynpvisitor12> still vehicles
17:11:48 <Joe1> Aurum 1333
17:14:08 <LindaGp> Bulger
17:14:26 <LindaGp> minor
17:15:00 <Eric> What 12?
17:15:08 <Eric> You talking about that frozen image :-P
17:15:24 <Eric> North gate is actually pretty sweet light right now
17:17:49 <LindaGp> Getting dark
17:18:08 <LindaGp> daisy is due
17:30:58 <LindaGp> daisy
17:33:59 <ynpvisitor77> are you sure
17:34:17 <LindaGp> Yes
17:35:01 <LindaGp> hard to see thru steam from castle but it was there
17:36:52 <Kevin L™🌵> It looked like it to me.
17:38:20 <LindaGp> Well I think that's it for me. I'll leave it here, beehive to grand.
17:38:42 <LindaGp> Controls released
17:43:41 <Dave from B™> Time for me to head out. Have a great evening everyone!
17:43:56 <LindaGp> Dave from B™, night
17:45:01 <Kevin L™🌵> Good knight
18:02:16 <LindaGp> Nice that the snow is lightening things up
18:03:25 <Kevin L™🌵> 47% moon also helps
18:03:42 <LindaGp> Yep
19:44:03 <ynpvisitor88> Daisy ie, I think.
19:44:54 <ynpvisitor88> No, maybe it was just drifting Castle steam.