04:52:38
<Ace> Dark as dark can be!
04:53:55
<LindaG> 😳
04:54:25
<LindaG> 1% moon
06:00:44
<LindaG> Joe I can take cam if you want
06:08:55
<LindaG> Looks like castle maybe
06:11:28
<incogneato:)> Linda, the cam is yours
06:13:57
<incogneato:)> LindaG, .
06:14:07
<incogneato:)> LindaG, .
06:14:44
<incogneato:)> bye
06:24:38
<LindaG> incogneato:), ok
06:26:48
<LindaGp> Got it
06:55:58
<LindaGp> I believe grand ie
06:56:53
<KorbenC> LindaGp, can we zoom out to see plume?
06:57:01
<KorbenC> to see the plume :)
06:58:01
<KorbenC> Think so, but unknown
07:00:23
<KorbenC> I entered (?) on GT.
07:00:35
<KorbenC> Because we didnt see any water which makes it hard.
07:02:59
<Bulger> That is a well deserved "?".
07:03:48
<KorbenC> Ive been missing Ryan telling me to enter those (?)s :P
07:05:45
<LindaGp> I'm leaving grand with ? Pretty sure it was ie though
07:06:18
<Bulger> WWRD
07:08:12
<KorbenC> Haha, whhat would Ryan do? Intes]resting question/
07:08:24
<KorbenC> interesting**
07:08:29
<LindaGp> It depends how well you screen shows white. My table is pretty good.
07:09:03
<Bulger> I think in many cases the answer is probably not what one should do - even by his own admission.
07:09:21
<KorbenC> I saw it, it looked like Grand, but also could have been something down basin, or turban.
07:10:12
<LindaGp> Had all the markings of grand. I ran a video of closeup. I saw billowing before I zoomed I.
07:10:30
<LindaGp> *in. But this steam can be so deceiving.
07:10:44
<KorbenC> Can we zoom in on Giantess?
07:11:01
<LindaGp> No 😝
07:11:09
<LindaGp> 😃
07:11:12
<KorbenC> Haha:-/
07:12:51
<LindaGp> also the timing was reasonable it was at 1h 38 m
07:12:59
<LindaGp> *13h
07:15:33
<JarnoO> morning all
07:15:44
<LindaGp> Morning
07:15:56
<JarnoO> fingers crossed LS does something positive for Giantess
07:16:08
<JarnoO> Bronze Spring would be fun as well
07:16:25
<KorbenC> Morning JO
07:18:03
<JarnoO> Sally really added insult to injury with intensifiying just before landfall
07:18:52
<JarnoO> went down to 75kt and then added 15kt just for the heck of it about three hours after the synoptic advisory package
07:19:32
<KorbenC> JarnoO, welcome to Hurricanes :D ;)
07:19:35
<JarnoO> nice boiling there
07:19:53
<JarnoO> looks like that was N rim
07:20:20
<KorbenC> JarnoO, you gonna getvideo?
07:20:20
<JarnoO> SE rim doesn't appear that steamy, maybe wind plagueing it at the moment
07:20:30
<KorbenC> Runoff nice
07:20:59
<JarnoO> hm. LS is now off
07:21:05
<JarnoO> only some steam left
07:21:14
<KM> OF on static
07:22:57
<LindaGp> So is the basin
07:23:19
<LindaGp> It moving to the hill
07:24:11
<Forestbewithyou> wow I failed that... Good Morning everyone
07:24:17
<JarnoO> morning Forest
07:24:49
<LindaGp> Forestbewithyou, hi
07:25:28
<Forestbewithyou> Hi JarnoO, LindaGp,
07:25:51
<LindaGp> Here it comes
07:26:30
<LindaGp> I love watching the weather on this cam
07:29:49
<LindaGp> Is that LA?
07:30:15
<KorbenC> Im still zoomed in on Bronze
07:30:15
<LindaGp> *LS
07:30:26
<KorbenC> No, LS ended 0716 per JO
07:30:36
<JarnoO> LS is left of Silver. It quit 2 minutes after I had spotted it
07:30:43
<LindaGp> la is.in back to left correct?
07:30:58
<KorbenC> Think so
07:31:05
<LindaGp> *ls
07:31:13
<JarnoO> yes, LS is back-left of Silver
07:32:14
<LindaGp> I know it when its.spouting and lose it when it's not
07:33:00
<JarnoO> it's inconspicuous
07:33:07
<LindaGp> Grotto?
07:33:25
<LindaGp> See It?
07:33:33
<JarnoO> that I wouldn't dare to say with certainty. Definitely a possibility
07:33:44
<JarnoO> but I can see a plume rising in the back
07:33:59
<LindaGp> Yup
07:35:22
<LindaGp> I love the snow in winter but hate all this steam
07:36:29
<Bhoffer> Morning everyone!
07:36:38
<KorbenC> Bhoffer, hi
07:37:55
<LindaGp> Darn missed OF
07:39:49
<LindaGp> Thx jarno for entering
07:42:56
<LindaGp> Marmot nd dep hot
07:43:17
<LindaGp> Marmot ie
07:45:16
<9> West Gate is busy early
07:47:30
<LindaGp> Time to.play in the park 😊
07:49:46
<SantaFe108> morning
07:50:01
<LindaGp> SantaFe108, hi
07:50:07
<KorbenC> SantaFe108, hi
07:50:19
<SantaFe108> hi Linda, Korben,
07:59:16
<KorbenC> Vicky just wont die! Bah! It just doesnt stop, it should have weakened a week ago, insteasd its just sitting there :p
07:59:48
<KorbenC> NOAA wrote, "Vicky refused to weaken despite shear" :P
07:59:52
<JarnoO> Hurricane Epsilon but weaker :P
08:00:21
<JarnoO> Karina also didn't like the thought of dying
08:01:37
<JarnoO> I wonder if it's possible to have a subtropical hurricane
08:02:14
<KorbenC> We can have Extratopical, does that count?
08:03:00
<JarnoO> not really in my books, Korben. Even though they can reach hurricane speeds
08:03:24
<KorbenC> But I think a subtropical storms defention is less than 39mph
08:04:35
<JarnoO> that would be a subtropical depression if I recall correctly
08:04:56
<KorbenC> well, thats not per me, see chat on my other page
08:06:46
<KorbenC> Woah
08:06:56
<KorbenC> that looked like something was going on as we panned back
08:07:02
<SantaFe108> hi Kat
08:07:07
<KorbenC> HIi Kat
08:07:10
<Kat> SantaFe108, Hi
08:07:21
<Kat> KorbenC, Morning!
08:07:38
<Kat> Wow on Giantess
08:07:39
<LindaGp> Almost as much steam from runoff as from pool
08:07:51
<JarnoO> good boiling I guess
08:07:51
<Kat> LindaGp, Morning!
08:07:51
<SantaFe108> hot hot hot!
08:08:00
<LindaGp> Kat, hi
08:08:10
<JarnoO> do take the current temperature into consideration
08:08:27
<SantaFe108> don't ruin my dreams!
08:08:30
<JarnoO> is Bee doing things there?
08:08:41
<JarnoO> oh, just some passive steaming
08:09:04
<Kat> Steaming everywhere
08:10:11
<Bhoffer> looks like the hole hill is going to explode this morning:lol:
08:10:21
<Bhoffer> whole*
08:10:37
<LindaGp> 😊
08:10:54
<LindaGp> Calmed down
08:10:55
<SantaFe108> looks like Grand Prismatic in the cold
08:12:26
<LindaGp> I'm freezing 50 degrees this morning
08:12:40
<LindaGp> Heats not on yet
08:13:10
<SantaFe108> 67 here
08:14:58
<LindaGp> That's what it is in the hosue
08:16:40
<LindaGp> Oblong looks big both with this steam
08:18:54
<LindaGp> Pump!
08:19:31
<LindaGp> Morning kevin
08:19:37
<SantaFe108> hi Kevin
08:21:35
<Bulger> Giantess boil
08:21:43
<JarnoO> morning Kevin
08:21:44
<Bulger> big one
08:22:04
<JarnoO> likely not bigger than the previous ones. Steam is deceiving
08:22:27
<Bulger> looked rather wide and heavy at least
08:25:05
<Bulger> Also Improbable looks quite hot, too.
08:25:35
<LindaGp> Sure does
08:27:28
<Bulger> I do think today could be the day.
08:27:51
<Bulger> VaULT STEAM.
08:27:56
<SantaFe108> 5d interval would be cool
08:28:33
<LindaGp> Go G and V
08:28:38
<JarnoO> Vault steam on its own isn't that special. Just another symptom of 28°F and 94% humidity
08:30:14
<JarnoO> morning Jimbo. Don't play with explosives unless supervised by Kevin ;)
08:30:42
<JarnoO> morning Michael
08:30:52
<LindaGp> Daisy due soon maybe
08:30:58
<SantaFe108> hi Michael and jimbo
08:31:22
<Forestbewithyou> Hi Michael, Jimbo
08:32:07
<Michael> Hi everyone. When did the fog clear this morning?
08:32:30
<JarnoO> a few minutes ago or so
08:36:15
<Dy-no-mite> Thanks for the advice, JarnoO. We'll have a blast
08:37:34
<LindaGp> 😅
08:44:12
<LindaGp> Darn OF
08:44:28
<LindaGp> Come on daisy
08:45:09
<LindaGp> Oh
08:45:22
<LindaGp> OF ie
08:46:44
<LindaGp> not on static at 08:43
08:47:17
<LindaGp> 08:44 for sure
08:55:04
<LindaGp> amazing how much better this stream is they the cam
08:56:31
<JarnoO> TS Vicky 35kt (-10kt), Post-Paulette 75kt (-10kt), Sally 70kt (-20kt), Teddy 85kt (=); TS Karina 35kt (-10kt?)
08:56:35
<Michael> castle looks like a major overnight. If so, next eruption is 18:45 give or take.
08:56:39
<LindaGp> Riverside
08:57:36
<JarnoO> also, Atlantic 40/60 (1), 50/70 (2), 20/20 (3); Central Pacific 50/50 (1)
09:07:36
<LindaGp> no idea.if daisy erupted. Steamy back there but it is every where
09:24:02
<Michael> grotto quit while I wasn't paying attention.
09:26:03
<LindaGp> Think missed daisy, maybe during Of
09:29:15
<LindaGp> I see bacteria on runoff for G
09:30:15
<LindaGp> Daisy
09:30:18
<LindaGp> yay
09:30:22
<LindaGp> ie
09:47:20
<KorbenC> Well, time for school
09:47:30
<KorbenC> send a txt if Giantess goes :D
09:47:32
<JarnoO> cya Korben
09:47:32
<LindaGp> KorbenC, enjoy
09:47:50
<LindaGp> KorbenC, 👍
09:48:52
<Michael> see you later Korben.
09:51:45
<Forestbewithyou> I have to get to one of my classes bbl
09:52:09
<JarnoO> cya Forest
09:53:15
<LindaGp> Forestbewithyou, bye
09:55:28
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Can you even see Daisy?
09:55:55
<LindaGp> Kevin L™ 🌵, yes it was big
09:56:02
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Looks pretty murky out there today.
09:56:13
<LindaGp> Guess I should have done video oops
09:56:30
<LindaGp> It is
09:56:52
<LindaGp> cleared quite a bit DB
09:57:35
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Looks like LA in the 60's
09:57:56
<LindaGp> Lol
09:58:17
<LindaGp> G has been boiling off and on
09:59:14
<LindaGp> Kevin L™ 🌵, pretty sure grand prediction is accurate, it was tough seeing it
10:00:27
<Kevin L™ 🌵> There is that Perry Mason music again.
10:00:36
<LindaGp> All yours
10:00:45
<LindaGp> controls relesed
10:01:12
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Got it.
10:01:39
<LindaGt> 👍
10:02:08
<LindaGt> Got a lunch date be back later
10:02:11
<JarnoO> dinnertime
10:02:16
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Maybe BH will do something at a time OF isn't in a window.
10:02:29
<LindaGt> Kevin L™ 🌵, with any luck
10:02:42
<LindaGt> Cya
10:03:17
<Eric> Morning
10:03:40
<Eric> Most the excitement is over on UP derail
10:04:08
<Eric> Watched them rerail the first engine last night and then replayed the rest this morning
10:05:33
<Kevin L™ 🌵> It has been interesting. They just took the engines a an autorack away using Norfolk Southern power.
10:05:50
<Eric> Lots of small chunks of railing getting scooped up.
10:06:11
<Eric> Yep, apparently they didn't want to power them up or couldn't
10:06:35
<Eric> Wonder if they will be completely done by dark
10:06:42
<Eric> Those guys are moving fast
10:07:07
<Kevin L™ 🌵> I think they will take them to the shops to inspect them before they use them again. I am sure some repairs will be needed.
10:08:08
<Kevin L™ 🌵> They will most likely use prebuilt track panels and weld the rail.
10:08:21
<KorbenC> I have returned, I hat 8 period days, 30 minute classes, morel ike 10 minutes because you cant do anything ever in thirty :D
10:08:43
<KorbenC> Giantess needs to go at some point, ive got YFT up on Swarm, would be interesting to see the thumps
10:09:09
<Eric> Wow...really surprised they didn't cut the classes in half to give you long periods with less switching
10:09:11
<KorbenC> I see we have a G not on GT
10:09:36
<KorbenC> well, Wednesdays are "two hour delay" days, bleck, bleck, puke :)
10:09:57
<KorbenC> that way they can deep clean the school between A and B chorots
10:10:08
<KorbenC> cohorts*
10:13:43
<Michael> lunch and laundry time here. Go Lion and Beehive!
10:13:52
<Michael> And Aurum of course.
10:28:04
<Kevin L™ 🌵> OF just beat the NPS window.
10:43:50
<Craig M> Giantess looking pretty happy
10:47:46
<Eric> You were right kevin...they have the prebuilt tracks sitting up on the upper deck already.
10:48:19
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Sort of like building a model railroad.
10:48:29
<Eric> :-D
10:49:20
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Welding rail is fun. Sort of like a casting in place operation.
10:49:28
<Eric> 40' sections of Nortrak
10:50:02
<Eric> Problem is they have the replace the switch...I assume that is a little more complex
10:50:55
<Craig M> hey whats the record video command?
10:51:37
<JarnoO> /getvideo []
10:51:40
<Eric> use /getvideo [minutes] your reason
10:51:43
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Yes. They may just put down rail to get things rolling again and comeback later for that. They can also do panels that have the switch components and set them in place.
10:52:05
<Eric> The [minutes] part is optional but use the number of minutes you want to save
10:52:20
<Eric> like /getvideo [5] want the last 5 minutes
10:52:52
<Eric> wow...switch panels would be interesting
10:54:14
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Most switches are custom but this is a crossover so they may have one for it. The panels are huge.
11:01:16
<Eric> Ok...people there seem to think just straight track for now.
11:04:24
<Kevin L™ 🌵> They can do that then do measurements, build the switch panel and then drop it into place later.
11:08:50
<Eric> Makes sense.
11:13:02
<JarnoO> looks like Giantess' SE runoff origin has begun expanding in width. That's a good sign
11:13:50
<JarnoO> so far it seems you want the white patches of runoff to be surrounded by a wide, darkened edge
11:18:51
<JarnoO> N rim small splash
11:19:04
<JarnoO> just inbetween wind gusts
11:19:20
<KorbenC> We just need it to calm down a little bit
11:19:45
<Eric> Wind gusts?
11:19:45
<Bulger> I think many considered it a joke when it was claimed that winds could kill it.
11:20:09
<Bulger> Though, I think its more like a delay than a kill.
11:20:18
<JarnoO> SE rim
11:20:19
<Eric> boil
11:20:34
<KorbenC> There are alot of boils today
11:20:59
<Eric> Between Giantess boils and RR construction I am not getting anything done today!
11:20:59
<ynpvisitor> Pump didn't get killed.
11:21:00
<JarnoO> and done right as the cam stuttered
11:21:09
<JarnoO> N rim?
11:21:21
<Eric> Where do you think Giantess gets all it's power? Pump!
11:21:21
<JarnoO> maybe, based on that plume
11:21:48
<JarnoO> might've been E to NE rim
11:22:32
<ynpvisitor> I thought it got all it's power from the boat. That is why the boat os late.
11:25:13
<ynpvisitor> Pump must be taking power from the cam, I keep getting circles.
11:25:22
<JarnoO> so far it's been a decent year geyser-wise
11:25:41
<Eric> Decent?
11:25:51
<ynpvisitor> Cannot wait for winter and ice circles.
11:25:52
<JarnoO> couple of (partial) losses here and there, but an increase in activity in a couple of others
11:25:54
<Eric> Giantess & Steamboat both going!
11:26:20
<Eric> Sad Giant has been so quiet, but fair trade!
11:26:27
<ynpvisitor> Morning would have to kick in for it to be decent.
11:26:29
<Bulger> What will we do when our best option is Beehive?
11:26:51
<ynpvisitor> Miss it for OF
11:27:04
<Bulger> Well played.
11:27:06
<lkjhg> my def of decent would include being able to be there
11:28:19
<ynpvisitor> No, that is excellent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc&feature=youtu.be
11:29:11
<ynpvisitor> That looks like some of the smoke I had yesterday.
11:30:04
<qwery> is Smokeboat expected to go today?
11:30:20
<ynpvisitor> Well we have shadows today, so time to go out and do something.
11:30:46
<JarnoO> Steamboat logger shows that the runoff temperature has continued to rise, so maybe today
11:32:23
<Eric> yep, wouldn't be surprised to see the boat show up today
11:35:33
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Barely see Daisy
11:37:04
<JarnoO> Aurum ie
11:37:34
<JarnoO> 1136ns per static
11:38:52
<Eric> Wish we had the kind of bandwidth VRF has for their cams!
11:39:15
<JarnoO> maybe with Starlink
11:40:21
<KorbenC> woohoo, lunch break! :D
11:41:24
<JarnoO> Atlantic 50/70 (1), 50/70 (2), 20/20 (3). No update on #1 in the Central Pacific yet
11:41:42
<KorbenC> JarnoO, :thumbsup:
11:42:03
<JarnoO> Atlantic #1 is actually up 20% for 48h and 10% 5 days if I recall correctly
11:43:12
<JarnoO> so (finally) more activity from that system. Been hanging around before Sally was even heard of
11:46:37
<KorbenC> Good signal on YNR
11:46:39
<KorbenC> and YNM
11:46:46
<Eric> That would be awesome Jarno!
11:47:00
<Eric> Yellowstone Forever needs Musk on the board :-D
11:47:16
<KorbenC> looking like Steamboat on YNR and YNM
11:47:21
<KorbenC> signal not on B950
11:47:40
<KorbenC> gonna wait 30s for one more update before I enter
11:48:02
<Eric> I don't see anything
11:48:07
<Bulger> Please do not enter it yet.
11:48:13
<KorbenC> Eric, live seismic data is good
11:48:13
<Eric> on either
11:48:22
<KorbenC> 1146
11:48:38
<Eric> oh ya, I am at 42 right now
11:48:48
<Bulger> Please wait at least 25 minutes before entering.
11:48:50
<Eric> Go SB!
11:49:14
<KorbenC> https://imgur.com/a/E3iO919
11:49:19
<KorbenC> Jarno, are you seeing this?
11:49:29
<Eric> Yep, definitely SB
11:49:32
<Eric> thanks Coop
11:49:42
<KorbenC> Thats about a clear as it gets, good sloid YNR spectro signal, nice YNR signal, vivid waveform signal
11:49:42
<JarnoO> difficulty with YNR is that there appears to be an earthquake signal right as SB started, but otherwise it has typical SB characteristics. With YNM, however, I can quite confidently say it is Steamboat. No weather activity above Norris either
11:49:44
<KorbenC> thats the boat
11:49:58
<Ryan> Please. Wait.
11:50:03
<KorbenC> Ryan! Welcome back.
11:50:11
<KorbenC> Ryan, why?
11:50:14
<Ryan> I agree it is. Please wait to enter it.
11:50:22
<Eric> Why should they wait?
11:50:24
<KorbenC> why, becuase its already in there
11:50:27
<Ryan> Just... trust me? Its not something I want to discuss publicly.
11:50:49
<Eric> Well, it's an E time
11:51:03
<KorbenC> its an E maj time, thats about as boaty as it gets.
11:51:03
<Eric> Seems reasonable
11:51:16
<KorbenC> and the trace is continuing
11:51:36
<Ryan> Its not a technical concern. Its a social/political one.
11:51:48
<Eric> Gt is not about social or political
11:51:51
<Eric> or shouldn't be
11:52:17
<KorbenC> Its like seeing Giantess adn then going "well, we dont know, maybe we should wait" :P
11:52:30
<Ryan> Well, I tried. For those who lurk and read the log. I tried.
11:52:57
<KorbenC> Ryan, see PM
11:53:25
<Ryan> I got a full on face load of the other half of this issue. For better or worse, GT *is* now a social issue in the basin.
11:53:54
<KorbenC> what is the other half of this issue?
11:54:11
<Eric> Well, Coop entered it in good faith with the data he had. People shouldn't be afraid to do that because of Social pressure!
11:54:18
<JarnoO> by the way, don't even bother to go to OF. 1145ns static
11:54:26
<KorbenC> OK, Eric, should I delete it, your the GT guy, if you tell me just to delete it, I will without hesitation. But for now, Ryan, im not seeing a connection.
11:54:41
<KorbenC> what is with OF today? it just keeps going either early or late
11:54:43
<Ryan> Rangers and others refer to GT when talking to visitors (great!) but visitors don't know how to read and use GT (not great!) and that mix is causing some serious problems right now.
11:55:20
<Ryan> I am... really... trying to figure out the best way to explain this without dropping names or making it more of an issue than it should be.
11:55:31
<Eric> More serious problems with a few people who reside at Norris I assume
11:55:47
<KorbenC> Eric, do I keep it or delete it?
11:55:56
<Ryan> All I can say is... as someone who has vociferously argued for GT independency in the past, my last trip into the park has opened my eyes some to some very complex problems that we can no see here.
11:56:01
<KorbenC> Ryan, would you be happier if I added a (?) too it, even though that is SB :)
11:56:10
<Ryan> AsI've reversed my position, specifically with Steamboat.
11:56:16
<Eric> I am not putting anything on your Coop, you read it...if you think it erupted I would leave it.
11:56:29
<Ryan> No, actually, I personally think (for SB) the E times should be entered after the in basin times.
11:56:42
<KorbenC> buecause looking on the screen right here, I have a 99.9999% confidence that it is SB
11:56:49
<KorbenC> esspecialy with the fact that it isnt on B950
11:56:52
<Eric> Well, then I would suggest that those people bring those up with GT, not with users who are entering data.
11:56:58
<Ryan> Steamboat is the only geyser in which I feel that way about. I agree, it is almost certainly SB. This is not about certainty of the data.
11:56:59
<JarnoO> does it have to do with visitors not being able to read GT and then blaming it on some people in the basin? Just for some context to understand it
11:57:07
<KorbenC> another jolt 1756.
11:57:11
<Ryan> JO, yes.
11:57:22
<JarnoO> thanks, I'll shut my mouth about it now
11:57:34
<Ryan> I can not ignore the very real and obvious stress I saw in basin observers under.
11:57:41
<Eric> I would suggest than anyone having issues with GT speak to GT!
11:57:50
<Eric> support@geysertimes.org is the contact!
11:58:14
<Ryan> I would suggest that we all try to understand that this is not a black and white issue. GT is simply the conduit by which the issues are generated.
11:58:25
<Eric> Maybe when the problem is made clear it could be fixed.
11:58:25
<Ryan> GT can not fix this problem, only those using it can.
11:58:35
<Eric> BS
11:58:37
<KorbenC> Fix it by leaving out data?
11:58:39
<lkjhg> Perhaps a partial solution would be to have a view of GT that is only available to logged on users, that includes eruptions that are in some way not ready for the general public
11:59:00
<Eric> You should let GT decide if the problem can or cannot be fixed.
11:59:18
<Daisy> Eric it seems to me that user error has created these problems
11:59:43
<Ryan> I won't continue to argue this. I am entirely too tired of it. And this time around it affected me in a highly personal way.
11:59:52
<Eric> That is possible...but support@geysertimes.org is your best bet for resolution...not trying to brow beat users.
11:59:55
<KorbenC> Wait, hold on, you want me to fix GT by not entering an eruption which I have 99.999% certainy on? you want me to withold information from the GT users because "Visitors cant read it?". I seriously do not see it. I am entering an eruption from an ELECTRONIC data source, for ""for the benefit and enjoyment of the people". per GT.
12:00:44
<KorbenC> Y'alls seismograph ahs updated
12:00:46
<Ryan> Please, I am not brow beating anyone. I am simply stating what could be done to help alleviate a very real and substantial problem thats affecting very real people.
12:01:06
<Eric> It's sounds like you were beaten up pretty badly in person Ryan.
12:01:38
<Eric> You don't have control over what others post or don't post to GT
12:02:05
<Ryan> No, but I do have the ability to try to help communications between the users.
12:02:25
<KorbenC> Eric, im stuck between a rock and a hard place :) Do I delete it becuase Ryan says that I hsould, even though IDK what happened. Or do I leave it because it lets people know, hey SB probably went today
12:02:33
<Ryan> Even our conversations on here can cause issues, our discussions about predictions somehow get fed to the general public.
12:02:50
<Eric> That is up to you Korben....I am not going to tell you what to do.
12:03:04
<Ryan> Then people show up expect SB to erupt in a very specific time frame. I dont know how the disucssions get fed, but they do.
12:03:30
<Ryan> The exact dynamic and exchange of information is confusing, but the effects it is having on people is very, very clear.
12:03:36
<KorbenC> Well, I enjoy Ryan, he seems like a cool guy. He wants me to delete it. But then again, its the tallest geyser in the world, there are only a few times ive been watching the live seismograph to have that excitment
12:03:49
<Eric> Maybe a few people need to step away from Norris for a while?
12:03:49
<JarnoO> Korben, by logging it you take responsibility over what happens next, whether it be a false entry or a correct entry
12:04:59
<Ryan> The few false entries we made had very widespread and very significant ramifications in Yellowstone. While from PA it is very easy to say "eh people just need to learn to read... yaddah yaddah"... thats not what is happening in real life. Having seen it, I can't ignore it.
12:05:00
<KorbenC> TBH, I see a good trace on YNM waveform. I see a good trace on YNR Waveform. I see a good trace on YNR sepctro. I see a good trace on YNM spectro. And I see no trace on B950 EHZ PB (which is good becuase it cant read SB's frequency I hear).
12:05:26
<Eric> But does the entry help anyone right now is the question?
12:05:37
<KorbenC> I am willing to say that that false entry a while ago, was my mistake, I was tired, I was stupid.
12:05:44
<KorbenC> Eric, if I was in the UGB, I would want to know if it went
12:06:10
<Daisy> Korben. This is one of those scenarios where you alone can make this decision.
12:06:18
<KorbenC> I would want to see that 1146 E maj so I know, "maybe I should go see if it erupted and is now post eruptive, maybe I can catch a restart" rather than waiting there planning to go up that evening and wait for i :)
12:06:18
<Eric> :-D
12:06:20
<Ryan> And I can't continue in good faith behavior on my end that I know is having a negative effect, and a substantial one, on people that (regardless of our current dyanmic) I care about and respect.
12:07:19
<Ryan> So, I am only speaking out about it to make it known that even from PA, with just a few days in the park, I could see the effects its been having.
12:07:26
<5> It’s apparent this is SB. Leave it.
12:07:40
<Eric> 5 has spoken!
12:07:44
<Eric> :-P
12:07:53
<Enjoyingthechao> Just sitting here eating popcorn
12:07:59
<Enjoyingthechao> This is why people are afraid to join our community
12:08:07
<5> How many does it affect? A couple? 10? In what adverse way?
12:08:08
<Eric> Yep
12:08:13
<Ryan> My suggestion would be to refrain, in the future while the park is open, from posting E times until an in basin report comes in.
12:08:13
<Eric> Agree ETC
12:08:43
<Ryan> Well, when I visited this time the effects it was having in the basin left me depressed and not wanting to return.
12:08:45
<5> People could go see restarts, or steam phase
12:09:00
<lkjhg> all E times? that makes no sense
12:09:01
<5> You are one person
12:09:02
<Enjoyingthechao> If you think that was because of the E data. You are incorrect.
12:09:28
<Ryan> The E data was part of it, ETC. At least, that is what I was told.
12:09:45
<Enjoyingthechao> alright
12:09:49
<Ryan> Actually the E data was most of it... was what I was told.
12:10:09
<Eric> I totally agree people should not enter it until they are 100% based on E data.
12:10:11
<5> The only bad effect was that people arrive back to UGB and think they missed it?
12:10:13
<KorbenC> See very long comment on entry.
12:10:28
<Daisy> A few thoughts.
12:10:41
<Ryan> Its not just individual entries, its the cumulative effect of all of them building up over time. This has continued for three years now...
12:10:44
<5> The horror!
12:10:45
<KorbenC> The entry WILL stay, until someone or something else either says, "yes this was Steamboat" or "no this wasnt steamboat"
12:10:48
<108 mobile> hello
12:10:55
<KorbenC> Enjoy reading the huge comment all :D
12:11:04
<KorbenC> Which probably has 400 grammar and spelling mistakes :)
12:11:11
<Katie> I think your comment is great, Korben.
12:11:33
<Daisy> The people who stay at steamboat do not own it. Nor do they own the rights to eruption data. No one really does. If we want to be abstract we could say the owner of the logger or god owns the data.
12:11:47
<KorbenC> 90% of it is just a disclaimer saying "R wanted me to delte entry, I dont want to, so I wont, so tada, its my entry"
12:12:01
<5> Good KC
12:12:11
<108 mobile> did boat sail?
12:12:29
<Eric> Own it and hopefully someone gets to steamboat that wouldn't have otherwise.
12:12:32
<KorbenC> 108 mobile, think so
12:12:38
<Eric> Yep, SB ie
12:12:46
<108 mobile> looks like it
12:12:48
<Eric> You "think so" Coop?
12:12:49
<KorbenC> your seismographs now show the full bit
12:12:59
<KorbenC> still stuff on Spectro that is more than prior.
12:13:01
<Ryan> I... am unsure what else to say about it. Its hard to convey emotion over texts. But if you want an emotion on my end to read these messages with its a mix of regret, humility, and a plea for understanding and trust.
12:13:08
<Enjoyingthechao> Can we just.....make GT comments purely observational and let people make their own judgments?
12:13:09
<KorbenC> Eric, insert 400 letter disclaimer here.
12:13:13
<Eric> If that isn't SB, someone ate WAY too many beans last night!
12:13:26
<Ryan> Keep in mind I have defended your positions tooth and nail.
12:13:39
<KorbenC> Eric, then it would deserve and Event Semi-Geyser related :P
12:13:40
<Eric> I agree ETC
12:13:45
<Ryan> That I have done a quick 180 should say *something*
12:13:56
<5> It’s SB. E times are all we have in winter.
12:14:08
<Eric> The comments in GT are NOT for social things, they should be strictly about observations.
12:14:14
<Enjoyingthechao> ^^^^^^^
12:14:14
<Daisy> Also. When someone shows up to steamboat mad that they read GT incorrectly, that's on them. I don't know how these visitors are finding these people to complain to because GT doesn't exactly have a name attached to it
12:14:25
<KorbenC> and you will have to trust me, and having looked at every signal of the entire SB series, three times, in the past 7 days :D
12:14:28
<5> What does it say? That 15 people matter more than the community?
12:14:42
<Ryan> Yikes, guys.
12:14:44
<Enjoyingthechao> What community lol.
12:14:48
<Ryan> ^ that
12:15:15
<5> Well GT users then
12:15:17
<Ryan> Jesus, I am telling you its causing significant problems and I am asking you to wait like 25 minutes to post something.
12:15:20
<Eric> The community of people who go the YNP to watch geysers.
12:15:25
<RebelBotanist> I just came on to say yay steamboat. ❤️ Hope
12:15:45
<Eric> Hi Hope
12:15:48
<KorbenC> Ryan, people wont be blaming you if that isnt SB, they will be blaming me
12:15:48
<5> Significant to who?
12:15:51
<108 mobile> Im going now will be home soon goodbye
12:15:54
<KorbenC> Hi Hope!
12:15:55
<Ryan> The response is effectively 'screw it and the people affected by it'?
12:15:56
<JarnoO> cya SF
12:16:02
<Enjoyingthechao> Communities tend to stick together and not tear eachother down as much as this community does.
12:16:03
<Katie> Ryan, I don't understand how it is causing significant problems. Expand on that.
12:16:16
<KorbenC> Katie, he "cant" :)
12:16:16
<Daisy> Significant to the Steamboat entitlement committee
12:16:31
<Eric> Communities can be a lot of things ETC
12:16:31
<Enjoyingthechao> Hey Korben, you wanna lay off Ryan a little there?
12:16:38
<Eric> Just like families!
12:16:43
<Enjoyingthechao> Well this is a dysfunctional one at best in that case.
12:16:50
<Ryan> For better or worse there are people who are arriving having read GT, misinterpreting it, and taking it out on people who provide us with a LOT of useful GT notes.
12:16:51
<KorbenC> maybe SB will die and then everyone will realize that they shouldnt have been complaining :P BUt I enjoy the complaining alot more than no SB.
12:16:53
<Enjoyingthechao> I'd need several beers at the geyser gazer thanksgiving dinner
12:16:54
<JarnoO> SE rim
12:16:59
<JarnoO> light boils
12:17:01
<Eric> haha...I never said it was functional.
12:17:14
<Ryan> For better or worse there are people who are arriving having read GT, misinterpreting it, and taking it out on people who provide us with a LOT of useful GT notes. -- again because it got buried.
12:17:22
<RebelBotanist> Hi y'all! That silly geyser apparently only erupts on big days for me. 🤪
12:17:31
<KorbenC> looks like this quarrel may have killed Giantess
12:17:44
<KorbenC> Hopefully you enjoyed YNP Hope :)
12:17:53
<Ryan> I did not fully realize how much it affected them until this last trip.
12:18:08
<KorbenC> Ryan, how much WHAT affected them? having GT data?
12:18:10
<Daisy> ...are they forced to be there?
12:18:35
<5> Just stop already. The 10 people it affects...
12:18:39
<Ryan> It.... is prety constant. I'd wager 90% of the random tourists I spoke to knew of GT and what was on it - and many were actrively looking for specific users to ask them questions.
12:18:55
<Ryan> Please, I am answering Katie's question.
12:18:59
<KorbenC> Ryan, any question for me, you can give them my email, I am happy to help
12:19:01
<RebelBotanist> Ehhhhhh.... Good and bad... But I saw a grizzly while really sleep deprived and almost happily shat myself
12:19:06
<Eric> They were looking for Coop?
12:19:07
<Katie> The ONLY way I could see it truly having an adverse effect would be if it prevent someone from going to SB the day following a false report - but if they were checking GT, they would see that it was gone.
12:19:15
<Enjoyingthechao> This thread is evidence it affects more than that 5
12:19:25
<Ryan> WTC, exactly.
12:19:30
<Ryan> ETC*
12:19:32
<5> How so ?
12:19:49
<KorbenC> If visitors are really concerned enough about GT, they can contact me at my email, I am very happy to help them if they do.
12:20:05
<Enjoyingthechao> Because we have more than 10 people chiming in on it.
12:20:07
<RebelBotanist> Butt email doesn't work with no service
12:20:09
<KorbenC> I eve ncheck my email from the hous of 6AM to 9PM, if im at my house ill get back to them within 2 to 3 minutes :)
12:20:26
<5> The few times it caused a “ did we miss it “ moment are slim to slim
12:20:30
<Eric> I still would suggest that if Norris people are truly having trouble with Steamboat reports that they should contact support@geysertimes.org
12:20:38
<KorbenC> Hope, true, hmm, maybe give them a small card with it on it? I may need to make buisness cards to give to everyone :)
12:20:49
<Eric> Not vigilante it up in hopes of fixing it.
12:21:07
<Katie> If the "adverse effect" is that they have more company on the viewing platform. Well... it belongs to all of us and we all have equal right/privilege to be there.
12:21:10
<JarnoO> center pool
12:21:14
<KorbenC> boiling
12:21:24
<Eric> nice boil
12:21:26
<JarnoO> weak
12:21:28
<RebelBotanist> Can that be an official thing in NPS pubs: how up contact geyserland gurus
12:21:36
<KorbenC> we shouldn't be blaming R for this, its my entry, I etnered it.
12:21:44
<JarnoO> weak but sustained actually
12:21:56
<5> Just a silly defense
12:22:03
<JarnoO> SE overflow
12:22:24
<Ryan> I hoped that, as having been one of the primary instigators in the "post Steamboat E times" group, that my about face would have had some weight. It didn't.
12:22:26
<Eric> the support contact is in the app and on the website!
12:22:36
<Katie> I wonder if it's making noise - people who weren't looking turned to look.
12:22:42
<5> No blaming. No one contacts N Lydeen and says do not post E times
12:23:06
<Eric> I think because N Lydeen has never been wrong :-D
12:23:23
<5> If KC had not posted it, someone else would have
12:23:31
<lkjhg> that is interesting that people are turning towards Giantess
12:23:33
<Eric> I have to believe this all stems from false SB posts.
12:23:34
<RebelBotanist> I'm an idiot, but in park cell service is hard... That may make contacting geyserland people hard in the park
12:23:53
<Eric> Thumps lkjhg?
12:23:55
<lkjhg> from BH area a few seconds ago
12:24:01
<lkjhg> makes me wonder
12:24:07
<Eric> Go Giantess!
12:24:13
<Ryan> Well, I tried. As ETC said, "what community". That we cant acknowledge that SB (SB specifically) should deserve some special treatment given these highly unique circumstances... is very saddening.
12:24:28
<KorbenC> dont think thumping, last 2 times everybody on the hill stopped
12:24:33
<lkjhg> or perhaps sounds of overflow water?
12:24:50
<Enjoyingthechao> No Geyser should deserve special treatment in GT
12:24:52
<Eric> It can, but only via proper communication Ryan. But if people aren't willing to do that, it must not be a big deal.
12:25:00
<Ryan> All I can ask: Have you ever been in a position where you've tried to explain to someone something that is upsetting you, or causing problems, and you can't?
12:25:12
<5> Unique that 10 people are upset? How many people use GT?
12:25:14
<Ryan> nd so your last resort is "please just trust me"?
12:25:17
<Eric> ETC, many geysers have special treatment in GT
12:25:19
<Katie> bottom line on SB E times - as long as they are labeled as E times, they those who don't trust E times can simply ignore them. It's right there - big capital E
12:25:33
<Eric> many are predicted, Grand has special codes, ....
12:25:39
<Enjoyingthechao> 5 will you stop with this "10 people are upset"
12:25:49
<5> Hear hear Katie!!
12:25:53
<Enjoyingthechao> You're only saying that because you've got your head blissfully stuck in the sand pretending it's not a problem.
12:26:06
<Ryan> ^^ That
12:26:09
<JarnoO> well, I look at it in a very rational way regarding SB. For me it's "just another geyser", just like Giantess in fact. That I have only been able to utter out "!!!!" in the comment on its entry when it went is because only then the emotional part seeped through
12:26:12
<5> It’s NOT
12:26:17
<Enjoyingthechao> To you
12:26:24
<Eric> Right, but I think part of the problem is general tourists don't understand the difference Katie and put that blame on Norris folks.
12:26:34
<Ryan> ^ that
12:26:56
<Ryan> and that is causing some very real issues - to people we are supposed to care about!
12:26:58
<Katie> Well, there is an explanation that makes some sense.
12:26:59
<Eric> But that is a GT issue, NOT a user issue!
12:27:10
<lkjhg> SB presents unique problems for crowd and traffic control
12:27:19
<Ryan> ^ also that
12:27:21
<Eric> and if people don't want to take the time to articulate that to GT people, then it will never get fixed IMHO
12:27:23
<Enjoyingthechao> There should be an attached note to every Electronic entry. "May be innacurate"
12:27:36
<Enjoyingthechao> or something along those lines
12:27:46
<5> All Grand E times?
12:27:52
<Enjoyingthechao> If the general public is using GT more. There should be a little more interpretation.
12:27:52
<lkjhg> also, ALL inpark gazers benefit from being allowed to sit for hours on end in front of it
12:27:57
<Eric> We should probably let GT figure out how to fix it!
12:28:00
<KorbenC> I will say
12:28:02
<KorbenC> this is just absurd
12:28:05
<Ryan> It is very specifically SB.
12:28:05
<Enjoyingthechao> Great idea Eric.
12:28:19
<KorbenC> Everything about this is absurd.
12:28:38
<Eric> support@geysertimes.org with the articulated problem would be the best bet if anyone really wants this fixed.
12:28:41
<KorbenC> The entry is staying, but please, can we just stup aurguing, I dont think this is what any of us want/need right now
12:28:41
<Ryan> It is a unique geyser, with a lot of emotional weight attached to it. It causes significant traffic and crowding problems.
12:28:42
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Looks like a Vixen superburst to me.
12:28:46
<Enjoyingthechao> Just emulate my username Korben
12:29:03
<JarnoO> Korben, please take this conversation as a learning moment. Some day you'll be in the same situation, for the weirdest reasons imaginable
12:29:16
<Daisy> Kevin it looks like Monarch to me
12:29:16
<Enjoyingthechao> There ya go
12:29:18
<Korbensenjoying> Jarno, im trying :)
12:29:26
<JarnoO> and no, I'm not pulling someone's leg here at all
12:29:27
<Eric> I have enough chaos in my life...not enjoying it.
12:29:36
<lkjhg> one difference here is that E means different things for SB, vs loggers at other geysers
12:29:41
<Korbensenjoying> I cant get my -ish onto the end of that
12:29:48
<Enjoyingthechao> It's 2020 Eric. We're all deep in the chaos.
12:29:54
<Ryan> What lkjhg said
12:30:05
<Ryan> It's different.
12:30:07
<Eric> Yes, and I don't really need any more ETC :-(
12:30:14
<SantaFe108> back
12:30:36
<Eric> No difference
12:30:57
<Eric> We have a logger, it measures waves
12:31:05
<Ryan> We really appreciate all of the notes we get from the in basin observers. Can we please respect that it makes their lives easier if we slightly change how we approach remote observations for SB during open park seasons?
12:31:07
<JarnoO> Central Pacific 30/30 (1, -20% 48h & 5d)
12:31:08
<Eric> We interpret those waves as eruptions.
12:31:25
<Ranger Wolf> I'm in Mammoth, just called the basin. Confirmed SB
12:31:36
<Eric> just like people/machines interpret the temp data as eruptions.
12:31:46
<lkjhg> but the interpretation of that logger has had a few problems in the recent past
12:31:52
<JarnoO> thanks, Ranger Wolf
12:31:52
<Katie> Thank you, Ranger Wolf.
12:31:55
<Enjoyingthechao> Thank you Ranger Wolf
12:31:56
<Ranger Wolf> For what it's worth :)
12:31:58
<Enjoyingthechao> We appreciate you.
12:32:21
<Ryan> Thanks, Mark.
12:32:25
<Ranger Wolf> :thumbsup:
12:32:31
<SantaFe108> Ranger Wolf, thanks :D
12:32:34
<JarnoO> looks like a Turban
12:33:14
<Korbensenjoying> look, just like I said :)
12:33:17
<Enjoyingthechao> I don't quite have my new bearings of the new cam. Can water be seen from WT when it erupts?
12:33:24
<Enjoyingthechao> From this view?
12:33:25
<Ryan> It is a social issue, not a GT one. But modifying how we use GT just slightly for this one geyser would solve a lot of headaches for people we care about.
12:33:25
<Eric> Thanks Mark!
12:33:26
<Korbensenjoying> THnaks Mark, we appreciate you.
12:33:40
<JarnoO> can pretty much only be inferred from pulsing steam
12:33:44
<Ryan> If that is not enough to convince some change for this ONE geyser...
12:33:56
<Ryan> ...then I have done all I can.
12:34:48
<Ryan> And at that, I bow out.
12:35:23
<Enjoyingthechao> JarnoO thanks
12:36:18
<Enjoyingthechao> Boy that was a wild ride. And I wasn't even here for the start of it.
12:36:40
<Korbensenjoying> Lion
12:36:44
<SantaFe108> ini?
12:36:53
<JarnoO> not sure
12:37:21
<Eric> I added Marks Confirmation to GT
12:37:32
<SantaFe108> Eric, :thumbsup:
12:37:35
<Enjoyingthechao> Duration should be a clue right JarnoO?
12:38:14
<JarnoO> yeah
12:38:24
<SantaFe108> but it is ie
12:38:46
<JarnoO> but at this point into the eruption the duration can mean anything
12:38:52
<Enjoyingthechao> Gotcha.
12:39:02
<JarnoO> however, how it ends is a good clue as well
12:39:09
<JarnoO> and with that said, this is the initial
12:39:19
<Eric> lots O steam
12:39:22
<SantaFe108> how would an ini end compared to in series?
12:40:18
<JarnoO> in-series eruptions tend to end abruptly, sometimes dropping from half the maximum eruption height to zero within a matter of 1-2 seconds
12:40:46
<Enjoyingthechao> Huh. I've watched it for years and never noticed that. yikes.
12:40:52
<Enjoyingthechao> Goes to show where my geyser priorities lie
12:40:58
<JarnoO> haha
12:41:26
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, thanks :D
12:41:46
<Liri S> :sb:
12:42:12
<JarnoO> I'm actually just now starting to be able to see whether or not Lion could be end of series or not and I still make mistakes :P
12:42:16
<JarnoO> afternoon Lori
12:42:35
<SantaFe108> hi lori & bhoffer
12:42:48
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, whgat does lion look like towards the end?
12:43:03
<Lori S> Hello, :sb:, back to sleep, bye :)
12:43:08
<Bhoffer> Afternoon SantaFe108, and everyone
12:43:10
<JarnoO> cya Lori
12:43:23
<SantaFe108> Lori S, cya later
12:44:43
<JarnoO> SF, generally it's a weak eruption, as if it lacks heat to do much bigger
12:45:36
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, makes sense
12:45:37
<JarnoO> however, it doesn't always mean end of series either
12:45:49
<SantaFe108> holy smokes sprinkler is ie
12:46:03
<JarnoO> it can do a minor on the next eruption after a long interval and apparantly continue as if nothing had happened
12:46:11
<JarnoO> hi Forest
12:46:16
<Forestbewithyou> Hi
12:46:27
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, thats really interesting how it can do that
12:46:28
<JarnoO> another Turban by the looks of it
12:46:33
<SantaFe108> hello foresst
12:46:41
<Forestbewithyou> That was a long Calc test jeesh
12:47:00
<SantaFe108> do yyou think you did well?
12:47:17
<Forestbewithyou> I think it went very well... Since it was review for the most part
12:47:28
<Forestbewithyou> There was only one problem that I had a problem with :)
12:47:40
<Forestbewithyou> But I think I ultimately got the right answer
12:48:20
<SantaFe108> Forest, good :thumbsup::D
12:52:39
<RebelBotanist> Reading this page and weighing samples means I accidentally wrote IE instead of W/E (with envelope) for my sample weight... Yay?
12:53:48
<SantaFe108> sample weight in eruption :lol:
12:54:40
<JarnoO> just say it means "Including Envelope" :)
12:55:02
<SantaFe108> :D
12:55:19
<Eric> oops :-D
12:55:26
<SantaFe108> why is an envelope included in this lion eruption?
12:55:45
<Eric> What time is Giantess predicted :-P
12:56:03
<JarnoO> SF, postcard eruption :D
12:56:19
<RebelBotanist> Because everyone, including geysers, loves coin envelopes full of stinky samples.
12:56:33
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, i'd buy a lion postcard :D
12:56:35
<Bhoffer> sep 16 +or- 6 years;):p
12:57:20
<SantaFe108> Eric, giantess is predicted 12:57 +or- ∞ minutes
12:57:40
<Bhoffer> Actually, that is a better prediction
12:58:12
<SantaFe108> covers everything ;)
12:58:23
<Eric> I like Bhoffer's more accurate :-D
12:58:35
<Eric> sorry, more precise, not accurate :-P
12:58:56
<Eric> I will tell you more accurate or not on it's next eruption.
12:59:00
<Bhoffer> :p
13:00:03
<SantaFe108> nice job pump
13:00:52
<RebelBotanist> Is that who's going on the back by the two reddish humans?
13:01:06
<SantaFe108> yeah
13:01:15
<SantaFe108> for me its done erupting tho
13:01:33
<RebelBotanist> Thanks! It finished while I was typing.
13:11:02
<LindaG> GO. Sb
13:12:13
<LindaG> Bye
13:12:23
<SantaFe108> LindaG, hi lijda
13:12:27
<SantaFe108> bye linda
13:13:04
<RebelBotanist> Nerdy geyser basin facts that involve plants: Did you know Norris has a pretty great population ofDichanthelium lanuginosum car. thermale? It's one of the thermal grasses, and it was still in flower last week.
13:13:38
<RebelBotanist> Also, Norris has orchids! Anybody here seen orchids in other basins?
13:13:38
<SantaFe108> thats really interesting
13:16:02
<Korbensenjoying> At least I didnt miss SB over my science and graphic design class :D
13:16:15
<Forestbewithyou> Jesh Korben what kind of a name is that
13:16:26
<Forestbewithyou> It looks like you facepalmed your keyboard
13:16:37
<SantaFe108> hes just enojoying the chaos
13:16:41
<Forestbewithyou> I can see that
13:16:47
<Forestbewithyou> but his name is causing chaos :)
13:16:56
<Korbensenjoying> haha
13:17:49
<Eric> Never seen orchids in Norris!
13:22:27
<RebelBotanist> Spiranthes romanzzifinia
13:23:01
<Korbensenjoying> I see Hope is still here :)
13:23:24
<RebelBotanist> Romanzoffiona stupid phone
13:23:29
<RebelBotanist> And yuuup
13:31:24
<JarnoO> Grand benches are empty. Also new NPS prediction :(
13:31:37
<JarnoO> Arty?
13:31:40
<SantaFe108> dang
13:32:01
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, its coming from arty's area
13:32:09
<SantaFe108> hi michael
13:33:45
<Michael> hi. I see we're awaiting field reports from Norris.
13:34:32
<SantaFe108> hi DT
13:34:44
<Eric> Already got one field report via phone...it erupted :-D
13:35:19
<Michael> a bit of a spoiler there. :D
13:35:31
<SantaFe108> :lol:
13:36:10
<Korbensenjoying> OK, one more class today
13:36:13
<Korbensenjoying> Hi DT
13:36:24
<Korbensenjoying> and then I have to do the take home quiz, beucase 30 minutes isnt enough time to take a test :P
13:36:37
<DeletedTeakettl> Hullo. Is that local smoke or courtesy of the West Coast?
13:36:47
<Korbensenjoying> both I think.
13:38:24
<RebelBotanist> How's air quality in the park?
13:39:04
<SantaFe108> Unhealthy
13:39:46
<DeletedTeakettl> Today's our second day (in the Bay Area) of <150 AQI after... many days of not that.
13:40:44
<RebelBotanist> Remembering something I saw from NPR, maybe shove some nylon stocking over your mask:
13:40:47
<RebelBotanist> https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/22/840146830/adding-a-nylon-stocking-layer-could-boost-protection-from-cloth-masks-study-find
13:41:13
<SantaFe108> air is unhealthy where I live but its not as bad ad other places
13:41:39
<RebelBotanist> It worked well for nuclear fallout from three mile island in pa. May help with other particulates, and damn is it ***y.
13:42:12
<DeletedTeakettl> Thanks. I'm on my last N95 from my fire cache. x.x
13:42:36
<RebelBotanist> Oooooooffers
13:44:23
<Eric> Lucky you DT!
13:44:36
<Eric> We have been over 500 AQI for 4 days now :-(
13:44:48
<Eric> looks like it won't clear until Friday.
13:45:23
<RebelBotanist> Knee high nylons ladies and gentlemen! Your respiratory system may thank you!
13:45:34
<DeletedTeakettl> The satellite imagery has been something else.
13:45:51
<Eric> Stay indoors with multiple filters running is my solution.
13:46:04
<Eric> Haven't even stepped out of my house for 3 days!
13:46:30
<Eric> make the dogs use the doggy doors that are double buffered by our garage.
13:47:00
<DeletedTeakettl> That was the case for me last week during the smoke invasion after the day of "...why is it dark and orange outside at noon"
13:47:07
<JarnoO> evening Betty
13:47:10
<Betty> Hi all
13:47:18
<SantaFe108> hi Betty
13:47:32
<Forestbewithyou> Hi Betty
13:47:32
<Eric> Glad yours is starting to clear up DT
13:47:33
<Betty> Evening JarnoO, Hi SantaFe108
13:47:41
<Eric> Hi Betty
13:47:54
<Betty> Hi Eric
13:47:54
<SantaFe108> brb lunch
13:48:06
<Eric> Are you in the city or south?
13:48:15
<Betty> Hi Forestbewithyou
13:48:51
<Eric> oh neither :-P
13:49:03
<MJ> Good Afternoon Betty
13:51:07
<Betty> Hi MJ
13:51:34
<JarnoO> roar
13:53:35
<Betty> At least my train is on time today. Yesterday it was delayed by 1h and I was home after midnight :-p
13:54:28
<JarnoO> delayed by an hour... Last train of the day?
13:54:58
<Betty> No. There are 2 more after mine
13:55:09
<JarnoO> ah, I see
13:55:31
<Eric> Must have been caused by that train derailment in Kansas City :-P
13:57:07
<Betty> 🤭
14:00:15
<Betty> Hi Art. Back from Steamboat?
14:00:15
<Betty> In the evenings they are 1h apart. So if I miss mine it is a wait for one more hour. Not amused to spend my evening at a train station
14:00:19
<JarnoO> Lion 1359, just before the cam cut out
14:00:20
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Cam died
14:00:41
<Betty> Hey Kevin
14:01:06
<JarnoO> Betty, no fun. I have a hard time waiting 10 minutes if my train is delayed
14:01:17
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Hi Betty
14:03:49
<Betty> Be back when I‘m home.
14:03:56
<JarnoO> cya Betty
14:04:00
<Korbensenjoying> Betty, cya
14:05:08
<Michael> Well fine. I wasn't watching the video stream anyway...
14:08:24
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Static is stuck at 1359 too so may be power outage at OF.
14:12:29
<JarnoO> several seismic stations are offline as well, while a few others continue to chug along. Probably more than a power outage
14:27:17
<Mario> LC ie
14:28:01
<JarnoO> is it working on your end?
14:32:00
<Mario> my mistake... I was watching old feed that i thought was current. Webcam is down on my end
14:43:09
<LindaG> Oh the circle of death.
14:43:24
<LindaG> Kevin broke the cam!
14:58:34
<KobrenC> Woah, so I leave to take my math quiz and kevin kills everything?
14:58:42
<Forestbewithyou> Yup
14:58:51
<KobrenC> Including seismogrpahs!
15:09:41
<LindaG> Wow its warmer in the park than here
15:11:32
<Eric> Wow...cam still down?
15:11:43
<Katie> :(
15:12:06
<Eric> Park network down it seems
15:12:15
<Eric> Statics in West down at 13:11
15:12:18
<LindaG> Eric, I think they pulled the plug lol
15:12:46
<Eric> I think they yanked a cable in the mammoth construction
15:12:52
<Eric> mammoth webcam is down too!
15:13:09
<Kevin L™ 🌵> It has been reported
15:13:13
<Kat> Wow! NOthings working - sounds major!
15:13:23
<Kat> Kevin L™ 🌵, Thanks
15:13:30
<Eric> I think mammoth knows!
15:13:48
<Eric> Even the statics on washburn are down...which NEVER happens.
15:13:55
<Kat> I'm thinking it's the construction!
15:14:17
<Eric> Yes, a lot of the fiber out of the park goes through gardiner
15:14:22
<Kat> Looks like it all went down at the same time!
15:14:40
<Eric> I bet all phones are out for the entire park too
15:14:50
<Kat> Most likely no shift for me tonight!
15:15:04
<Kat> Eric, thats dangerous!
15:15:53
<Kevin L™ 🌵> I think it is the KC deraiment.
15:15:55
<LindaG> Kat, hi
15:16:12
<Kat> LindaG, Hey!
15:16:15
<LindaG> Kevin L™ 🌵, 😊
15:16:33
<Kat> Kevin L™ 🌵, Hahaha - one never knows!
15:17:00
<Eric> Could be Kevin...or Obama's fault
15:17:26
<Eric> At least I keep this chat up most of the time :-P
15:17:31
<Kat> Eric, let's balme the right person! Hahaha
15:17:37
<Kat> blame*
15:17:46
<Eric> we could balme them too
15:17:47
<Kat> Eric, :)
15:18:08
<Kat> SB did it!
15:18:17
<Eric> Cell service is still working luckily
15:18:31
<Eric> At least from lake
15:19:02
<Kevin L™ 🌵> I think Frank Nitti did it. He is taking over all the geyser webcams.
15:19:08
<Kat> Time for some transporting! :lol:
15:20:00
<Kat> I'll keep checking to see where we are
15:20:42
<Kat> Oh the dreaded circle!
15:22:11
<KobrenC> Hi Kat
15:22:55
<Eric> mammoth just updated
15:23:12
<Eric> West is updated too
15:23:44
<Eric> Washburn still stuck
15:24:51
<Kat> KobrenC, Hi
15:27:51
<LindaG> Kevin L™ 🌵, they are still working on derail?
15:29:46
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Yes
15:30:38
<artemisia> Great video of the derailment and some dude who was taking pictures and the time: https://www.kmbc.com/article/camera-captures-moment-of-train-derailment-at-santa-fe-junction-in-kansas-city-missouri/34027264#
15:30:43
<LindaG> Kevin L™ 🌵, have they said anything about damage to bridge?
15:31:22
<LindaG> artemisia, yeah I saw that guy down there
15:31:35
<artemisia> You can hear some grinding sounds in the audio
15:31:50
<KobrenC> so, any word on whats causing this park wide/nearly park wide error
15:31:58
<Kevin L™ 🌵> I saw they had replacement panels for the bridge deck but it looks like they are going to just put them in and redo the track.
15:35:59
<artemisia> Looks like all the cams except OFVEC and Washburn are running OK
15:36:53
<Kevin L™ 🌵> That is the Virtual Railfan cam artemesia. They have a condensed version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyMx-ta_sY&ab_channel=VirtualRailfan
15:37:31
<Kat> LIve cam still down
15:37:47
<Forestbewithyou> And that makes us 😢
15:38:07
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Tamper just showed up at KC.
15:39:04
<KobrenC> what about me?
15:39:07
<KobrenC> oh, lol
15:39:15
<KobrenC> I saw KC and thought you wre talking about me :P
15:39:16
<Forestbewithyou> :D
15:39:33
<Forestbewithyou> Korben your name is spelled incorrectly
15:39:35
<KobrenC> I should probably take a break :)
15:39:45
<LindaG> KobrenC, yup we are going g to tamp you down
15:40:05
<KobrenC> LMAO
15:40:07
<artemisia> And tamp that "r" back into it's proper place
15:40:16
<Forestbewithyou> Now its worse :)
15:40:16
<Kat> KobrenC, did you misspell your name
15:40:23
<Forestbewithyou> There ya go
15:40:39
<Kevin L™ 🌵> You think he would fit under the ties?
15:40:49
<artemisia> Remember, we are not a priority for Corben to get things right
15:41:48
<Forestbewithyou> LOL
15:42:07
<LindaG> Kevin L™ 🌵, we could try
15:42:19
<KorbenC> Kevin L™ 🌵, me?
15:43:14
<artemisia> Wow, lots of activity on the Virtual Railfan live cam at KC. So is that a double decker train bridge?
15:43:31
<Eric> Yep, I am guessing whatever knocked out Washburn, affected the UGB
15:43:42
<Eric> Blame Canada!
15:43:53
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Two decks, two tracks per deck
15:43:53
<artemisia> Smoke got into the fiber
15:44:38
<Eric> Meh, barely any smoke in the basin :-P
15:44:59
<Forestbewithyou> The sun here is like a beautiful copper orange
15:45:19
<Forestbewithyou> But I just want to say bad idea looking at it :)
15:45:45
<Kevin L™ 🌵> They are going to start running train out of Chama on the 18th Korben. Cams have worked all summer. Went down yesterday. :P
15:46:37
<Kat> Kevin L™ 🌵, I camped in Chama one time! Coolplace
15:49:49
<Kevin L™ 🌵> It looks fun.
15:58:04
<Kat> Camop here - no cam LOL
15:58:46
<LindaG> CP on train cam
15:59:20
<LindaG> Kat, duly noted you showed up
15:59:58
<Forestbewithyou> I don't know if this was pointed out but steamboat was logged on GT by cb
16:00:19
<LindaG> Forestbewithyou, 👍
16:01:37
<Kat> LindaG, So, I'll still get paid???
16:02:01
<Kevin L™ 🌵> 50% for standby
16:02:02
<LindaG> Kat, oh you'll get a bonus for showing up
16:02:17
<Kat> Kevin L™ 🌵, Not fair!!!
16:02:20
<Forestbewithyou> Participation Points :)
16:02:24
<Kat> LindaG, Thanks!
16:02:50
<LindaG> Kat, I'll take it out of my own pay
16:03:22
<Kat> Thanks - but don't want to cut you short!! LOL
16:03:37
<JarnoO> IT'S ALIVE!
16:03:40
<LindaG> Kat, 😄
16:03:47
<Forestbewithyou> YAYY!!!!!!!!
16:04:07
<LindaG> It was alive
16:04:13
<Forestbewithyou> I guess the cam doesn't like participation points....
16:04:25
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Sure, it waits until I have to leave. :P
16:04:27
<LindaG> Its back
16:04:34
<Kat> WooHoo
16:04:50
<Sam> Hello everyone
16:04:58
<Forestbewithyou> Hi Sam
16:05:13
<Sam> Was/is the cam down?
16:05:19
<Forestbewithyou> It was down
16:05:20
<LindaG> Sam, hi, we are celebrating Kat gets full pay tonight
16:05:31
<JarnoO> been down from 1359, just after Lion started
16:05:35
<Kat> LindaG, Yeeees!!!
16:05:39
<Sam> Lol :) I’m assuming that’s a yes then
16:05:55
<Sam> I found it strange nothing had been reported since near 1400
16:06:13
<Kat> OF static not updated yet
16:06:26
<Forestbewithyou> No Participation points for Kat :)
16:06:54
<Kat> Forestbewithyou, :p
16:07:17
<Kat> smokey
16:07:19
<LindaG> Sam, just came back as you came on
16:07:36
<Kat> Thank you Sam
16:07:54
<Sam> Hahah! You’re welcome :)
16:07:56
<Forestbewithyou> 🙇♂️
16:08:18
<Sam> Looks like OF is in an interval with all the people there
16:08:18
<LindaG> Washburn looks horrible
16:08:37
<Kat> OF
16:09:02
<Sam> Just in time
16:09:14
<Eric> hey Cams back!
16:09:15
<artemisia> Nice OF without the wind
16:09:17
<LindaG> Just in time for OF 😋
16:09:33
<Eric> They are still dragging out bent rail in KC!
16:10:02
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Have to run. bbl
16:10:06
<Eric> I went outside for 10 minutes a little while ago. My daughter walks into my office and says, it smells like smoke in here :-P
16:10:10
<Forestbewithyou> Bye Kevin
16:10:13
<KorbenC> Eric, cya
16:10:14
<Forestbewithyou> OOf Eric
16:10:14
<LindaG> Kevin L™ 🌵, bye
16:10:28
<Eric> uggg, shower and new clothes time.
16:10:35
<Eric> Cya Kevin
16:10:37
<Forestbewithyou> Are you trying to get rid of Eric Korben?
16:10:51
<Eric> KC is confused because he derailed.
16:10:57
<Forestbewithyou> Ahh I see
16:11:44
<Sam> Hmmm. OF interval between the last one observed at 1325 and now at 1608 doesn’t make a ton of sense
16:12:12
<Sam> Interval of 2 hours and 43 minutes between longs
16:12:29
<Forestbewithyou> Could it have had a short?
16:12:32
<KorbenC> Sam, OF has been ahaving quite a few short intervals
16:12:46
<KorbenC> think just two long intervals on the short side of things
16:12:53
<Sam> That’d make sense I guess
16:12:58
<KorbenC> 1h 22m average is not un-heard of :)
16:13:18
<JarnoO> I think the missed eruption was a short. An interval of ±1h35m or so would fit perfectly
16:13:21
<Sam> I haven’t been watching the cam much lately since school has started
16:14:02
<Sam> Didn’t know it was in short season :)
16:14:11
<JarnoO> then you'd be left with a ±1h08m between the last eruption and this one
16:14:15
<artemisia> All static cams now back in operation
16:14:17
<KorbenC> It also could have been a short, or a missed short that is, would make sense
16:14:24
<Kat> :)
16:14:42
<Sam> I think that’s the most likely - we missed a short eruption
16:15:28
<Eric> I wouldn't say we "missed" it :-P
16:16:51
<JarnoO> another thing supporting that the previous eruption was a short, is this eruption's duration of >3m59s, and that's excluding the preplay which was not seen
16:16:53
<Sam> Hahaha
16:17:02
<Kat> Bulger
16:17:13
<Sam> I made an A entry in GT
16:18:12
<Mario> Bulger is bulging
16:18:52
<Laura> Cool, I've never seen bulge erupting
16:19:01
<Laura> *bulger*
16:19:06
<Kat> Laura, :)
16:20:12
<KorbenC> Hi Laura
16:22:07
<JarnoO> seismic stations are gradually coming back
16:23:51
<JarnoO> evening Betty
16:24:08
<Betty> hi again JarnoO
16:24:19
<LindaG> Betty, hi
16:24:50
<Kat> Betty, Hi
16:25:06
<Mario> Hi Betty
16:25:12
<Betty> hi LindaG, is the "G" for Graham again? :-)
16:25:26
<Betty> hi Kat and Mario
16:26:08
<KorbenC> Hi Bety, wb.
16:26:21
<Betty> hi KorbenC
16:26:48
<LindaG> Betty, I'm just a spectator tonight, but kat us covering for G
16:26:58
<LindaG> *is
16:27:03
<Betty> nice
16:27:45
<LindaG> Betty, cam just came back
16:29:54
<JarnoO> Grand was 1158 E. Therefore deleted my 1310 A entry
16:30:37
<KorbenC> Linda, when you have a shot delete your 56 ie ? entry. :D
16:31:48
<LindaG> KorbenC, why?
16:33:34
<JarnoO> too windy for Giantess :(
16:34:22
<KorbenC> lINDA, SEE 602 ENTRY
16:34:27
<KorbenC> Ooops
16:34:43
<KorbenC> there a 0602 E entry
16:55:50
<Kat> Who oved cam
16:56:00
<Kat> moved*
16:56:12
<Eric> no idea
16:57:22
<Betty> doggie
17:00:54
<JarnoO> YFT is having some serious issues catching up after that outage
17:03:53
<KorbenC> walk time
17:04:14
<Betty> bulger
17:05:05
<Betty> only a minnor
17:05:17
<Kat> :)
17:06:10
<Kat> folks heading to grand
17:18:57
<Betty> bulger
17:21:05
<Betty> BH or Lion?
17:21:12
<Betty> on static
17:21:27
<Forestbewithyou> hmm
17:21:27
<JarnoO> must be Bee. Lion didn't look so good
17:21:36
<Forestbewithyou> I was just thinking that...
17:21:36
<Betty> end of BH
17:21:46
<Forestbewithyou> Looked more like a vail of water
17:22:06
<Forestbewithyou> RIP
17:22:28
<Eric> missed bh?
17:22:40
<LindaG> Well we know it's still alive
17:23:16
<JarnoO> 1716 in-basin
17:24:02
<Kat> Sorry about that
17:24:24
<Betty> how should you know?
17:24:44
<Forestbewithyou> ^
17:24:46
<JarnoO> Bee's intervals have been all over the place lately, with no hint of predictability at all. No way would you have known it was ready
17:24:59
<Kat> Bee looked totally quiet last time I checked!
17:25:13
<LindaG> Its evil
17:25:20
<Kat> :)
17:25:20
<JarnoO> Aurum 1723
17:25:23
<Eric> no indy was listed
17:25:32
<Betty> Aurum
17:25:36
<Eric> .
17:25:55
<Eric> we lose kat again
17:26:10
<Kat> No
17:26:16
<JarnoO> just to add insult to injury. First missed Bee, then miss Aurum :P
17:26:19
<Betty> both BH and Aurum are evil
17:26:33
<Forestbewithyou> Man the hill is being cruel right now
17:26:33
<Eric> better zoom out to include Giantess!
17:26:38
<JarnoO> haha
17:26:38
<Kat> I need to go to bed apparently :(
17:26:42
<Eric> Don't want to miss it
17:26:43
<Betty> LOL
17:27:18
<Eric> Grand is probably ie now :-P
17:27:29
<Kat> Shhhh
17:27:33
<Eric> Geyser chasing with the cam
17:28:29
<Kat> Don't be judgmental LOL
17:28:49
<LindaG> Daisy might be soon
17:28:58
<Forestbewithyou> I prefer storm chasing and geyser watching :)
17:29:27
<Kat> OF next more than likely
17:29:35
<LindaG> Maybe 10 minutes
17:29:44
<LindaG> For daisy
17:30:19
<LindaG> Yup OF always I rerferes
17:30:32
<LindaG> *interferes
17:32:13
<Kat> Going to be dark early
17:32:36
<LindaG> Kat, lucky you
17:32:48
<Kat> :)
17:32:57
<LindaG> 😊
17:33:37
<Forestbewithyou> dinner time brb
17:33:49
<Eric> No judgement Kat...always appreciate others driving :-D
17:34:02
<Eric> and thankful for what we do get!
17:35:32
<Kat> Eric, :heart: More love
17:39:56
<Kat> Darn Daisy went
17:42:26
<JarnoO> backlighting!
17:50:46
<Kevin L™ 🌵> How was BH?
17:51:43
<Kat> Finally
17:52:09
<JarnoO> Kevin, post-eruptive
17:52:11
<Kat> Grand missing everything! :(
17:52:14
<JarnoO> Grand 1749
17:52:39
<Forestbewithyou> oh man just in time for OF
17:52:50
<Eric> Missed it Kevin, we got OF though!
17:53:15
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Let me guess. OF window for both Grand and BH. :P
17:53:15
<Eric> Missing Grand, Missed BH, Missed Aurum, Missed Daisy....it's like 2020 or something
17:53:54
<Eric> No, we were pointed down basin for BH, no indy Bee
17:54:19
<Eric> Geysers hate us today.
17:54:22
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Bummer.
17:54:50
<Kevin L™ 🌵> I knew it was going to go when I left.
17:55:28
<SantaFe108> how did we miss BH and aurum
17:55:48
<JarnoO> downbasin for Bee, on Bee for Aurum, SF
17:55:48
<Kat> KI quit!
17:55:54
<Kat> I8
17:55:57
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, oh ok
17:56:03
<Kat> I*
17:56:30
<SantaFe108> cb's SB report was a cool read, sounds like it was a spectacular show
17:56:33
<Eric> Geysers fault, not yours Kat
17:56:53
<SantaFe108> don't worry kat, BH and Aurum are known tricksters
17:56:58
<Eric> I saw a video of todays SB...all I can say is WOW...it was fricking huge.
17:57:09
<SantaFe108> Eric, 375' right? massive
17:57:13
<Eric> Hopefully one gets posted on FB or other places.
17:57:17
<Kat> I know - but hate to miss them both!
17:57:24
<SantaFe108> and it restarted
17:57:33
<Eric> The geysers will erupt again Kat :-D
17:57:47
<Kat> I think so! LOL
17:58:04
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Just one of those days.
17:58:20
<JarnoO> when life gives you lemons, right?
17:58:39
<Kat> It's been a long day!
17:58:39
<SantaFe108> you make geysers
17:58:59
<Kat> SantaFe108, exactly!
17:59:02
<JarnoO> b1 done
17:59:16
<Eric> So railroad question...do signal cabinets detect trains on track?
17:59:16
<JarnoO> might have a 2nd
17:59:19
<SantaFe108> jarno did you see last night's grand it was really cool
17:59:33
<Eric> oh ya, early still...go #2
17:59:37
<JarnoO> I didn't, SF
17:59:49
<Eric> Come on....go!
17:59:49
<SantaFe108> check out the getvideo it was a really tall 2nd
18:00:04
<SantaFe108> oh no it gone :(
18:00:05
<Eric> uggg, think we are done :-(
18:00:19
<Kat> Looks like it
18:00:25
<SantaFe108> :p
18:00:32
<JarnoO> appears C
18:00:45
<SantaFe108> yeah
18:00:53
<Kat> Look - it's Sprinkler :) Caught one!
18:00:58
<JarnoO> G1C | 9m26s
18:01:06
<SantaFe108> Kat, :D
18:01:19
<JarnoO> so chances for a 2nd were pretty much nil anyway with such duration
18:04:01
<JarnoO> Bulger
18:09:32
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, for 2nd would we want shorter duration for 1st?
18:09:56
<JarnoO> anywhere below ±9 minutes should give a decent chance for a 2nd
18:10:20
<JarnoO> anywhere above and the chances dwindle by the second, pretty much
18:10:50
<SantaFe108> makes sense
18:11:16
<JarnoO> even more fun would be a ±6m duration for the first. Then it could do more than 2 bursts in an eruption, provided the 2nd does do "Big Sawmill Mode"
18:11:30
<JarnoO> doesn't do*
18:11:53
<SantaFe108> what would big sawmill entail?
18:12:28
<JarnoO> basically what it says - apparantly Grand tries to imitate Sawmill's eruption and can thus continue on and on until the energy runs out
18:13:13
<SantaFe108> wow
18:13:28
<Eric> Craig posted SB video from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvMstp0WfYI
18:13:40
<JarnoO> (by the way, not my info, it comes from HK's blog)
18:14:42
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, next time I go to ynp ill definitely try and see more grands to see if I can see any differences from the 1 I have already seen
18:15:06
<SantaFe108> Eric, what an extraordinary display of power
18:15:09
<Eric> Interesting 3rd vent chugging in the middle
18:15:56
<SantaFe108> what a behemoth
18:16:15
<Eric> Yes, it was a big eruption!
18:16:47
<JarnoO> start is almost like OF preplay
18:17:02
<JarnoO> you don't know if it'll start until the big jet appears
18:17:41
<JarnoO> Castle
18:18:24
<SantaFe108> :D
18:18:39
<Kat> That SB is awesome!
18:19:43
<JarnoO> those are big rocks tossed out by the third vent
18:20:31
<Kat> Nice
18:20:32
<Betty> who is screaming so loud? :-D
18:20:53
<JarnoO> might one day become a larger part of SB's activity
18:22:28
<JarnoO> Castle needs some performance enhancing substances. This is to cry for, figuratively speaking
18:24:29
<SantaFe108> :P castle is an elder
18:24:41
<Kat> :)
18:24:57
<Betty> amazing Steamboat eruption. So many rocks!
18:25:16
<JarnoO> next Castle @ 2247±1h. Wild prediction based on 4m19s duration
18:25:53
<SantaFe108> only 4m19s, castle really getting old ;)
18:29:56
<Betty> time for sleep, night all
18:30:05
<JarnoO> cya Betty
18:30:12
<SantaFe108> night betty
18:30:41
<LindaG> Nice steamboat
18:31:00
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Night
18:31:07
<LindaG> Maybe KevinS will show up and he can see video
18:31:16
<Kat> Night Betty
18:31:18
<LindaG> Betty, night
18:31:28
<Kat> LindaG, Hi
18:31:37
<LindaG> Kat, hi
18:32:01
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Saw some interesting power in KC today SantaFe. There was one CP unit that looked like an SD40 with an SD45 radiator.
18:32:33
<SantaFe108> Kevin L™ 🌵, interesting
18:33:13
<LindaG> I saw a hummingbird today, they are not gone yet.
18:33:33
<Kat> They will heading south soon
18:33:39
<JarnoO> Kat, could you zoom in on Giantess for a bit? Starting to look fairly steamy every so often
18:33:42
<LindaG> Kat, yup
18:33:47
<Kevin L™ 🌵> There was a K&O GP38. K&O is a Watco company that also owns the Idaho Eastern which operates the old UP Yellowstone Branch.
18:33:56
<SantaFe108> Kevin L™ 🌵, oooo nice
18:34:25
<JarnoO> that'll do, thanks :)
18:34:41
<Kat> no roblem
18:34:44
<JarnoO> maybe have the Anemones in view for regular entertainment :)
18:34:45
<Kat> problem*
18:35:28
<LindaG> G was hot this morning
18:35:41
<JarnoO> oh yeah, Imp's a nice bonus that comes with the Anemones
18:35:47
<SantaFe108> is that imp fussing around?
18:35:50
<Kat> Improbable
18:36:21
<Kevin L™ 🌵> BTW did you know about this book SantaFe? https://smile.amazon.com/Yellowstone-Branch-Union-Pacific-Special/dp/096577290X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=yellowstone+branch&qid=1600302912&sr=8-1
18:36:49
<SantaFe108> Kevin L™ 🌵, I did not
18:38:10
<JarnoO> nice Imp boil
18:38:29
<SantaFe108> thats for sure
18:38:37
<JarnoO> a jet in that boil
18:39:17
<SantaFe108> is that a sign for a possible eruption?
18:39:30
<JarnoO> not that I know of
18:40:03
<Kat> Pump
18:40:10
<SantaFe108> :)
18:40:40
<JarnoO> Dep full ad steamy
18:40:42
<JarnoO> and*
18:40:45
<Eric> Maybe get a big depression :-D
18:40:55
<Kevin L™ 🌵> They still have to dump the ballast, tamp it and dump more and tamp and level it Eric. Goes tie by tie.
18:40:57
<Eric> Sure sign of Giantess soon :-D
18:41:13
<JarnoO> hopefully Marmot doesn't steal the show
18:41:17
<Eric> ahh, sounds slow Kevin, thanks :-D
18:42:08
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Not real fast. Moves about 18" at a time.
18:42:12
<JarnoO> and crash
18:42:20
<SantaFe108> :P
18:42:27
<LindaG> Kevin L™ 🌵, ok that one link to Amazon just caused me to buy 4 books. Lol
18:42:38
<SantaFe108> :lol:
18:42:40
<Kevin L™ 🌵> :)
18:42:50
<LindaG> 😄
18:43:31
<Kat> :)
18:43:54
<LindaG> I tried to catch dep amfew times this morning but never caught in eruption
18:44:04
<LindaG> *a few
18:44:28
<Kat> Looked ripe but not to be
18:45:25
<Kevin L™ 🌵> BTW Eric, that model RR company in Talent shipped my order today! Didn't expect it for weeks.
18:59:42
<Eric> Nice Kevin!
19:01:25
<JarnoO> good runoff steam
19:01:46
<SantaFe108> looks nice
19:02:05
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Also they weld the track joints Eric using thermite welding. This is what it looks like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JfNBmcjXo&ab_channel=ScottDolatowski
19:02:34
<JarnoO> Vault note is encouraging
19:02:56
<Kat> :thumbsup:
19:04:02
<JarnoO> definitely keep a close eye on it now, even though the wind has increased
19:04:51
<JarnoO> would love to have a close-up start
19:09:53
<SantaFe108> nice
19:10:32
<Kat> That's a big boy!
19:10:51
<SantaFe108> nobody leaving the BW/path on his watch!
19:11:01
<Kat> Nope!
19:17:37
<JarnoO> off for the day. Enjoy OF. Hopefully Giantess holds itself until tomorrow
19:17:51
<SantaFe108> JarnoO, cya jarno
19:17:54
<Kat> Bye Jarno
19:18:15
<SantaFe108> wb forest
19:18:24
<LindaG> JarnoO, bye
19:18:54
<SantaFe108> brb
19:20:02
<KorbenC> That was a nice walk
19:28:59
<SantaFe108> back
19:31:07
<SantaFe108> saw a little guy erupting on the hill wonder what it was
19:32:36
<Kat> not sure
19:37:41
<Kat> Daisy
19:37:51
<SantaFe108> :)
19:44:41
<SantaFe108> hello Don
19:49:11
<Kat> I'll be signing off - back at 0700 tomorrow! Need sleep!
19:49:52
<SantaFe108> Kat, goodnight, cya later
19:50:04
<Forestbewithyou> Bye Kat
19:51:23
<Kat> Night all!
19:53:56
<Forestbewithyou> I am going to head out as well
19:54:09
<Forestbewithyou> Audios!
19:54:15
<SantaFe108> Forest, goodnight cya later
20:22:26
<G> Just another day in the neighborhood
20:22:54
<SantaFe108> hello
20:25:09
<G> SB was pretty nice from Upper Dexk. I now understand why people say the top is straight above them
20:25:23
<SantaFe108> G, true that
20:25:28
<G> Because it feels like that
20:25:42
<G> Only 375 feet tho :(
20:25:48
<G> The reatart was iver 200 too
20:26:07
<SantaFe108> Craig's video was impressive
20:27:27
<G> Ah, have. It seen it. He was on middle deck.
20:27:50
<G> Have not seen it
20:27:55
<SantaFe108> ive only seen it from middle deck
20:28:21
<G> This trip i did decker and upper. Both have their merits
20:28:30
<SantaFe108> nice
20:28:35
<G> Shower time. Bye
20:28:42
<SantaFe108> cya later
20:38:06
<KorbenC> Goodnight All.
20:38:15
<SantaFe108> KorbenC, night korben
20:38:32
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Night
20:38:52
<Kevin L™ 🌵> About to dump ballast in KC SantaFe
20:39:20
<SantaFe108> Kevin L™ 🌵, oo im gonna go look
21:17:18
<Kevin L™ 🌵> First trains over derailment site at 2213 local time.
21:17:59
<SantaFe108> Kevin L™ 🌵, :thumbsup:
21:18:25
<Kevin L™ 🌵> That was a surprise.
22:12:55
<Kevin L™ 🌵> Cam is stressing tonight
23:04:29
<Eric> I got rid of that failing message if you reload the page.
23:04:58
<Eric> Tired of this cam timing out, it will still go to fails if it completely fails, but others...no more failing notices!
23:05:31
<Eric> Anyway...I am heading to bed...night everyone who is left :-D