Showing logs for date: 2020-12-18
07:20:12 <Dave from B™> Morning CraigC
08:06:59 <LindaG> morning
08:48:07 <Eric> Morning all
08:48:31 <Dave from B™> Morning Eric, LindaG
08:48:40 <Eric> Hi Dave
09:02:43 <JarnoO> morning all
09:04:46 <Betty> morning LindaG, Eric, Dave from B™, Kevin L™ 🌵, evening JarnoO
09:05:23 <JarnoO> evening-ish Betty
09:05:41 <Betty> afterning :-)
09:05:46 <JarnoO> :)
09:05:53 <Betty> evenoon
09:06:03 <Eric> Hi Jarno & Betty
09:06:15 <Eric> snow machines at West Entrance
09:06:19 <Betty> hey, it´s dark outside :-p
09:06:33 <JarnoO> I still have a sliver of light here
09:08:11 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Morning.
09:08:32 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I may be in trouble. I have a package in Phoenix.
09:08:46 <JarnoO> oh boy
09:09:15 <LindaG> Hi everyone
09:09:35 <Eric> Hi Kevin & Linda
09:09:46 <Eric> ut oh Kevin, good luck.
09:09:48 <LindaG> Eric, hi
09:09:49 <Dave from B™> Good luck, Kevin
09:09:54 <Betty> ugh-oh, Kevin :-/
09:10:48 <LindaG> package transit is sluggish this month
09:10:55 <Eric> Wow...lots of machines lined up now
09:11:07 <Eric> looks like it's all the way back to West :-P
09:11:33 <Betty> a ccar in line as well
09:11:45 <Eric> Yep
09:12:42 <LindaG> admirable, i'm freezing and i'm in the house
09:13:54 <Dave from B™> We stopped shipping UPS on Dec 16 until after Christmas. WAY TOO many problems this close to Christmas.
09:14:12 <Eric> I bet if you had one of those snow suits on Linda you would be super toasty!
09:14:41 <LindaG> Ive got a package somewhere that fedex has, its slowly making its way across the country
09:14:52 <Eric> Yep, most retailers have given up on shipping after today. Amazon is one of the only places that will still deliver.
09:14:58 <LindaG> Eric, for sure :)
09:15:57 <Dave from B™> And, then people have the gall to complain about the drop in vaccine shipments for next week
09:16:18 <Eric> Shipping is NOT the issue with the vaccines
09:16:38 <Eric> They are still shipping them, just 40% less in the boxes.
09:16:42 <Betty> west cleared :-)
09:17:06 <LindaG> I had a two plants that I ordered from greenhouse in delaware. Should have take one day, took 8 days. They didnt accept it for 5 days. Luckily the plants survived and this was two weeks ago.
09:17:16 <Eric> Those shipments happen via private carrier too i bet, they have to be kept in -200 degree temps I believe.
09:17:32 <Kevin L™ 🌵> The odd thing on my Phoenix package is it came from just south of Flagstaff. Closer to me than to Phoenix.
09:18:17 <Eric> I have my packages drive within 1/4 mile of my house and go off to weird locations in Oregon often then return back to my house a few days later.
09:18:34 <Eric> Routing is a complex process
09:18:55 <Eric> Of course they are on semi trucks when they are near my house the first time :-D
09:19:48 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I have a shipment of German trains being drop shipped in Washington State from Canada. Be interesting to see what happens with that package.
09:22:18 <8> Dave from B™, it wasn't about shipping speed. 4 or 5 states were told their 2nd shipment of vax would be reduced 30
09:22:28 <8> 40%
09:23:50 <Betty> OF
09:23:50 <JarnoO> oh nice, another pair of wolves in the Netherlands
09:23:57 <JarnoO> time to make dinner
09:25:10 <Dave from B™> I'm not going to argue. Let's wait and see what happens after the holidays
09:25:38 <8> just google it, several articles about the cuts
09:31:47 <Eric> Yep, not really an argument :-D It has nothing to do with shipping.
09:32:01 <Dave from B™> I have and the article I read stated logistics as one of the issues.
09:32:14 <Eric> link or source?
09:32:18 <Dave from B™> And, I don't have time right now to find it
09:32:19 <Eric> would love to read it
09:32:46 <Eric> do you know where, I don't mind tracking it down
09:32:54 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Jarno has wolf for dinner?
09:33:12 <Betty> guess so
09:37:07 <Eric> Hopefully moderna gets approved today, that should really start to ramp up distribution of vaccinations.
09:42:06 <Eric> Any thoughts on how Haaland will affect the parks? I don't know a lot about her.
09:48:34 <Eric> wow...tons more snow machines headed into the park
09:48:39 <Eric> going to be a busy day
09:53:51 <StaceyM> So....who forgot to put "a working webcam" on their Christmas list?
09:58:20 <Jimbo dropping > Etna erupting by the light of the moon right now.
10:21:44 <Eric> Hey Jimbo, so do people around etna evacuate when it starts erupting?
10:27:28 <Jimbo dropping > Not with just summit crater activity. Every now and then, Etna has a flank eruption that releases lava flows, and these have threatened the slope villages.
10:27:38 <Jimbo dropping > The last one took out a ski lift.
10:30:18 <Jimbo dropping > They tried to save it. Didn't work.
10:30:29 <john> :( still dark...
10:34:51 <Jimbo dropping > The ski lift might have been destroyed by an earlier eruption. Couldn't find video. Of course, you can always play "chase the lava bomb":
10:53:29 <Eric> Wow...that is really amazing
10:53:47 <Eric> another car at west entrance!
10:54:01 <Eric> ranger pulling them over
10:57:50 <Betty> OF
10:58:17 <JarnoO> no, no wolf for dinner here
10:58:30 <Betty> hahaha
11:00:35 <JarnoO> the upper half of Kilauea's east rift zone shows up well through earthquakes. Quite some up until Mauna Ulu
11:02:34 <JarnoO> I wonder if that cone could have a second eruption. Had some tall fountains, over 1500 feet
11:03:31 <Eric> Has anyone here ever been out to Mystic falls in the winter?
11:03:39 <Eric> I can't find a single photo of it online.
11:08:21 <Eric> hmm, is there thermal water in mystic falls?
11:09:04 <Eric> I would expect a lot more ice in the middle of winter
11:11:26 <Betty> no idea
11:19:21 <b> There is thermal water in the cascade.You can see steam rising in the summer.
11:26:48 <Eric> ahh, I had not been close enough to discern spray from the steam...thanks b
11:27:06 <Eric> The winter image I linked agrees with that assessment.
11:27:17 <Eric> steaming and no ice anywhere
11:48:58 <Eric> turned my /christmas lights on :-D
11:49:57 <LindaG> oh i forgot
11:54:16 <Eric> Has anyone else ever noticed the little miny caldera at twin buttes?
11:54:19 <Eric>,-110.8764577,1660m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x5351ed1b81592e5f:0x83b7c275a6822a1!8m2!3d44.4604788!4d-110.8281376
12:01:53 <Eric> Cool paper that talks about the Twin Buttes formation and the crater, along with pocket basin -
12:28:51 <kc (working)> OF
12:28:59 <Betty> OF
12:30:11 <Eric> Nice shot from the top of South Butte, looking toward fairy falls and imperial geyser
13:01:53 <nutz> Dang, they may shut down the broken cam because of running out of money.
13:03:57 <b> what if the cam comes back because of the shutdown? double reverse psychology!
13:08:42 <nutz> They would have to fix it before they could turn it back on!
13:09:18 <nutz> Enjoy the thought.
13:58:03 <Steamboat> I go skiing and the cam still does not do anything.
13:58:15 <Steamboat> Uhm...
13:58:20 <Steamboat> Do we have Echinus eruptions?
13:58:21 <Steamboat> .
13:58:21 <Steamboat> .
13:58:22 <Steamboat> .
13:59:04 <JarnoO> YAAAY
13:59:19 <JarnoO> two eruptions, third one's a spike
13:59:20 <Steamboat> That 2 eruptions
13:59:24 <Steamboat> without a doubt
14:01:02 <Steamboat> Looks like around 2040 for the first one
14:01:35 <JarnoO> I'll have the times shortly for ya
14:01:47 <Steamboat> and maybe 715 AM for 2nd one
14:02:56 <Steamboat> I just measured how long 1 day was with my ruler, (exactly 3cm) meaning each cm is 8hrs, and then I measured the distance away from the last date and got 2048 and 712
14:03:58 <JarnoO> the third spikes was so, so close. It topped out for 6 minutes above 50°C
14:04:03 <JarnoO> spike*
14:04:22 <Steamboat> I had a good day of skiing, and now I come home to Echinus, :D
14:04:40 <JarnoO> but not eruptive temperature (above 65°C-ish)
14:04:57 <KorbenC> Forgot to change my name, haha.
14:05:08 <JarnoO> 2149:08 E and 0709:08 E
14:05:21 <KorbenC> I was not too far off on the 2nd one
14:06:51 <JarnoO> interval of 9h20m between eruptions. At least something
14:08:02 <JarnoO> well, I guess that's proof for anyone still doubting the regular spikes, haha
14:08:59 <KorbenC> I will take a 9h20m interval, any day, any time, anywhere.
14:09:44 <KorbenC> When did those loggers update JO?
14:09:58 <KorbenC> OF
14:10:48 <JarnoO> good question... I think yesterday around 1400 based on trace end, but at the time the service responsible for the graphs had an outage
14:11:31 <JarnoO> I checked today only for SB and somehow thought it hadn't updated since that outage
14:11:37 <KorbenC> We must be seriously slacking then, haha.
14:19:22 <JarnoO> if you see an Echinus note for today, it should've been for yesterday. Corrected now, may show up here if I was too slow to beat the dashboard
14:27:08 <JarnoO> and if you want to play with Echinus' data:
14:28:08 <KorbenC> :thumbsup:
14:28:48 <JarnoO> well... Korben, I entered Echinus' eruption times already before I put them in chat...
14:29:30 <KorbenC> Then how did I get primary>
14:30:19 <JarnoO> 2149:08 is later than 2149, which GT thinks is 2149:00
14:30:43 <KorbenC> ah, OK.
14:30:58 <KorbenC> Random question: What are holiday traditions in the Netherlands?
14:33:05 <KorbenC> Micah is having fun at Jewel.
14:33:43 <JarnoO> proceed as if it's a normal day, unless it's Christmas, New Year's eve (fireworks!), King's Day, Remembrance of the Dead and Liberation Day. Also, several holidays are a day off
14:34:10 <KorbenC> :thumbsup:
14:35:19 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Does that include the day the little boy stuck his finger in the dike and saved the country?
14:36:01 <KorbenC> That would be painful :P
14:36:01 <JarnoO> not all holidays are a day off, even, depending on a collective agreement. By law only King's Day and technically Liberation Day are off, the latter usually every 5 years.
14:36:25 <KorbenC> JarnoO, that is interesting.
14:38:29 <JarnoO> we don't have Labour Day, either. Perhaps you get a little cake from your employer, but even then it's proceed as normal
14:39:09 <KorbenC> for your liberation day, do you celebrate with fireworks? cake? big feast?
14:39:17 <JarnoO> nope
14:39:24 <JarnoO> oh, wait
14:39:36 <JarnoO> I read liberation day as labour day...
14:39:55 <JarnoO> anyway, liberation day is nationwide festivals
14:57:52 <Kevin L™ 🌵> We used to get Halloween off until we turned from Nevada to eastern california.
15:02:09 <Eric> Electric peak is cool on static
15:06:24 <Jeff> hey everyone
15:06:58 <JarnoO> afternoon Jeff
15:07:12 <Jeff> hows it going JarnoO
15:07:21 <JarnoO> good, you?
15:07:24 <JarnoO> afternoon Linda
15:07:33 <LindaG> JarnoO, hi
15:07:36 <Jeff> im not bad just relaxing
15:07:38 <Jeff> hey linda
15:07:44 <Eric> Happy Birthday Jeff!
15:07:51 <Jeff> thanks eric
15:08:11 <Eric> Hope you are having a good December
15:08:12 <LindaG> Jeff, hi HB
15:08:15 <Betty> Hi Jeff, Happy Birthday
15:08:27 <Jeff> thanks Linda and Betty
15:08:43 <LindaG> Jeff, hows it going?
15:09:18 <Jeff> Eric, my december has been kinda boring lol
15:09:40 <Jeff> just been waiting on my phone call from YGS to know if ill be returning next summer
15:10:13 <LindaG> and we are waiting to see if we'll have a cam
15:10:14 <Betty> hey, hope it works out for you
15:10:37 <Jeff> whys the cam been down?
15:10:45 <LindaG> no power
15:10:46 <Eric> Yep, cam dead
15:10:51 <Jeff> ahh
15:11:01 <LindaG> they put in new one but still no power
15:11:09 <Eric> but you can type /christmas to get lights here and /snow if you want falling white stuff :-D
15:11:23 <Jeff> nice
15:11:26 <LindaG> :)
15:11:36 <Eric> or type /quit if you get tired of hearing us jabber :-D
15:12:03 <Jeff> i kinda missed the jabbering around here the last couple months since i left the park lol
15:12:29 <Betty> Aurum
15:12:29 <JarnoO> Jeff, by the way, Norris has a present for you
15:12:45 <Jeff> yea i saw it erupted a couple times lol
15:14:02 <LindaG> we do exciting things like count the snowmobiles at west gate
15:14:56 <Jeff> i kinda wish i had signed up to work winter in west this year
15:16:20 <LindaG> :( hows the weather in arizona?
15:16:28 <LindaG> hi john
15:16:51 <john> Hi Linda! I saw a post that the cam was back?
15:17:06 <LindaG> john, where?
15:17:11 <Jeff> its currently 63 and sunny here in arizona
15:17:24 <LindaG> Jeff, sounds nice
15:18:07 <john> Oh it was just a, I want my webcam back on FB... :(
15:18:25 <LindaG> :)
15:18:56 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Can you send my package up Jeff?
15:19:31 <Jeff> whats the package? the warmth or the sun?
15:20:32 <Eric> snowmobiles headed out of the park!
15:21:26 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I am warmer than you are Jeff! Phoenix just seems to be a black hole for packages.
15:21:46 <LindaG> Eric, how many? :)
15:22:08 <Jeff> yea kevin phoenix likes to suck up packages and barely spit them out
15:22:50 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I had one that stayed there for 2 days and they blamed it on a sand storm.
15:23:11 <Jeff> i havent seen any sandstorms
15:23:27 <Kevin L™ 🌵> This was a couple of years ago.
15:23:35 <Jeff> ahh
15:24:05 <Jeff> i was gonna say ive only seen 1 or 2 in the last 5 years
15:24:19 <Eric> You should get a winter job at UPS jeff, you could hide Kevin's packages for him!
15:24:37 <Jeff> ive applied to them but they never called me back
15:25:54 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I asked them why the delay and they said it was a sandstorm. I told them I thought they did rain and snow and such. They said they did have a clause for rain and snow but there wasn't a sandy clause.
15:28:38 <Eric> hahahaha
15:41:54 <kc (working)> OF
15:46:52 <john> Oh brother!!!
15:49:09 <JarnoO> looks like new upload time is 1500 MST, with update somewhere around 1545-1600
15:50:52 <JarnoO> looks like water managed to melt away the ice dam just after noon today at SB
15:52:21 <Eric> hmmm, not seeing SB logger update :-(
15:52:52 <Eric> ahh, only showing on the daily graph
15:53:01 <JarnoO> yes, weekly follows later
15:53:19 <Eric> Weird that Echinus & Constant had already updated
15:53:20 <JarnoO> Echinus' weekly was surprisinly quick today
15:53:29 <JarnoO> surprisingly*
15:53:57 <Eric> another smaller echinus eruption right before midnight
15:54:08 <JarnoO> no, just a spike
15:54:19 <JarnoO> or surge, or whatever :)
15:54:22 <Eric> really...with the drop after?
15:54:57 <JarnoO> yes, Echinus eruptions flatline for some time after an eruption and reach over 65°C
15:54:58 <Eric> I am not sure I would discount that....until we can put real observations up against that logger data.
15:55:49 <Eric> We have no idea what it's actual behavior is right now, correlating those data points.
15:56:54 <Eric> Maybe it's not even Echinus :-P Maybe black pit spring blew it's top!
15:57:54 <Eric> Do you have a long term graph with previous observed eruptions on it?
16:05:23 <JarnoO> no, but I do have one observation from MAB which correlates with a spike reaching about the same temperature (±50°C) as the ones we've had. She described it as a false start so intense she'd almost call it a minor ( ). There's not been many observations of Echinus post-1960s-2000s active phase, let alone of this activity, aside from 2017
16:06:14 <JarnoO> and this is the entry where that "minor" phrase comes from:
16:07:40 <Eric> Yes, I have seen the 50 degree spikes, but never the long drop after like we see here.
16:09:04 <Eric> You can see false starts like you are talking about on the 11/23 & 12/5 aprox.
16:09:34 <Eric> Not sure what it was, but different than those
16:09:53 <KorbenC> Eric, I do not think those are false starts
16:09:56 <JarnoO> true that, though I do wonder if it's still recovering from the two eruptions - i.e. Echinus has a sufficient steam and water budget to sustain overflow at ±30°C, but once a boil gets too big and pushes out too much water, the whole thing collapses and refills slowly thereafter
16:10:13 <KorbenC> maybe pushes, but they do not even make it to 50, seems a bit low to me, might be me though.
16:11:03 <Eric> Yes, would love to have actual must have been a big enough push to clear the water out of echinus for 3-6 hours
16:11:27 <KorbenC> Another temp update on Echinus.
16:11:35 <KorbenC> One more spike
16:11:51 <Eric> That is what we are talking bout :-D
16:12:06 <KorbenC> oh
16:12:18 <JarnoO> this is also the first time Echinus has spiked well after regular spikes (which became eruptions), could have something to do with it
16:12:20 <KorbenC> I cannot logic after a day of skiing. :)
16:12:26 <Eric> The spike is short, but the refill is slow
16:12:47 <Eric> groomers heading in from West
16:13:22 <JarnoO> what I've seen so far, is that Echinus stays days close to average temperature (±30°C in winter) following spikes, before the fluctuations increase for another round of spikes
16:14:00 <Eric> BTW, about 2h45m drain total before refill started hitting the logger again on the one from around midnight
16:14:21 <JarnoO> this round is a big ol' anomaly, which could be the reason Echinus needs longer to recover
16:15:18 <Eric> It would be nice if the graph where attached to the entry for those E times
16:16:10 <JarnoO> will do after I finish this spike's note
16:17:20 <Eric> Thank Jarno! Great to be able to reflect on this stuff down the road!
16:17:39 <Eric> Wow...what a line of headlights coming out of West
16:20:13 <Betty> I´m out for today. Enjoy the Echinus stuff :-)
16:20:40 <LindaG> Betty, night
16:20:40 <KorbenC> Bye Betty
16:20:42 <JarnoO> cya Betty
16:20:47 <KorbenC> I enjoyed the slopes for you today :)
16:28:11 <Eric> Night Betty
17:22:03 <kcmule> winter solstice can't get here fast enough
17:22:25 <JarnoO> I know
17:31:58 <GO STEAMBOAT> hello.
17:32:06 <GO STEAMBOAT> Still no Boaty water :(
17:32:24 <JarnoO> evening Graham
17:33:00 <JarnoO> it actually has water, you can see the temperature rising all the way at the end of the trace
17:33:10 <JarnoO> just had an icedam to melt
17:33:48 <GO STEAMBOAT> oly went up 1 degreetho, maybe the sun came out?
17:34:34 <GO STEAMBOAT> i agree its also possible the water just started t melt its way there
17:34:48 <GO STEAMBOAT> its aboutthe right time
17:35:00 <GO STEAMBOAT> needs to hurry up tho to get 2 in
17:35:22 <JarnoO> also Echinus did a thing twice :)
17:36:24 <GO STEAMBOAT> nice
17:36:34 <GO STEAMBOAT> it was the first geyser i ever saw
17:37:16 <Eric> Hi G
17:37:57 <GO STEAMBOAT> hi Eric. which mountain this weekend?
17:39:18 <Eric> Hamilton, tomorrow morning at 7am :-D
17:39:39 <Eric> not a big one, weather is horrible...trying to hike between rain storms.
17:39:51 <GO STEAMBOAT> ewwww...hope it works out
17:40:10 <GO STEAMBOAT> i will be at higher elevation tomorrow
17:40:15 <Eric> thanks, I have water proof gear, fine either way.
17:40:49 <GO STEAMBOAT> ~32,000 feet
17:41:07 <Eric> haha...barely 3k ft :-P
17:41:20 <Eric> 60-90 mph winds above 6k ft
17:41:26 <LindaG> hello
17:41:31 <Eric> I don't do high winds
17:41:39 <Eric> Hi Linda
17:41:43 <GO STEAMBOAT> yeahthat would not be fun
17:42:03 <LindaG> Eric, hi
17:42:14 <Eric> Wednesday and Thursday look really nice and I will probably take off work
17:42:17 <GO STEAMBOAT> guess i need t get someone to cover my cam shifts next week
17:42:18 <Eric> So will hike more then!
17:42:50 <GO STEAMBOAT> oh nice, hope you have a great Christmas even tho you cant celebrate with anyone
17:43:12 <Eric> Daughter is going to be in Iowa this Spring! Woooohooo, not sure how we lost this bet!
17:44:00 <Eric> Grinnell has decided that kids can safely be on campus. Hopefully vaccines can get wide distribution by March/April
17:44:34 <Eric> BTW, if you want snow just type /snow or christmas lights, type /christmas
17:46:44 <Eric> We might hit our previous flu death totals daily soon :-(
17:48:25 <GO STEAMBOAT> does the snow accumulate the onger you leave it on?
17:48:56 <Eric> haha, no :-P
17:48:57 <GO STEAMBOAT> glad she can go to college, hope they can keep open and dont get swamped with cases
17:49:02 <Eric> I don't think so
17:49:38 <LindaG> nice my new laptop has a windows background collection of yellowstone animals
17:49:39 <Eric> Well, she will only be there for 1 quarter and it's just freshman on campus. Everyone has a private room
17:49:53 <Eric> like 8 weeks on campus
17:51:56 <Eric> I think they will do pretty well, but of nerdy kids who generally are good rules followers.
17:52:20 <GO STEAMBOAT> yeah, its not a wild score. are you driving her there ?
17:52:21 <Eric> It's not like a public university...where parties are the most common thing
17:52:33 <Eric> Still debating on driving verses flying
17:52:34 <GO STEAMBOAT> score=school
17:52:56 <Eric> It's a 3 day drive, so lots of risks doing that in winter versus just biting the bullet and flying
17:53:09 <GO STEAMBOAT> IAwill be beautiful that time of year :)
17:53:16 <Eric> hahahahaha
17:53:31 <Eric> If you like 0 degrees, wind and snow
17:53:59 <Eric> end of january, schools starts on 2/1
17:54:04 <GO STEAMBOAT> i think my commet applies any time of yeatho too
17:54:29 <GO STEAMBOAT> hard to dothe Yellowstone detour that ime of year
17:54:41 <Eric> She is definitely going to grinnell for an education, not the environment
17:54:57 <Eric> Yep, we would probably bypass yellowstone
17:54:59 <Eric> :-(
18:01:50 <LindaG> hi forest
18:02:41 <Forestbewithyou> Hi Linda
18:21:47 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Better bring a heavy coat.
18:33:19 <Eric> Yep, new snow boots and super heavy parka
18:33:56 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Get some cold wind and snow through there.
18:34:15 <Eric> Yes they do...not as cold as chicago, but still cold
18:34:31 <Kevin L™ 🌵> BTW I had 4 trains moving at the same time in KC yesterday.
18:34:41 <Eric> wow
18:34:47 <Eric> really using those tracks
18:34:58 <Eric> Lot's of stuff to move this time of year!
18:35:20 <Eric> I am really surprised companies like Amazon haven't started buying up the railroads!
18:35:41 <Eric> Good opportunity for high speed cargo
18:35:57 <Kevin L™ 🌵> If you check Flagstaff you see a bunch of Amazon owned containers right now.
18:36:16 <Eric> ohh, never seen amazon cargo containers!
18:36:32 <Eric> Probably has your package in them :-P
18:39:39 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Nope. Amazon got here. USPS is basking in the Phoenix sun.
18:40:19 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I am wondering how long before they show up on model trains.
18:41:36 <Kevin L™ 🌵> If I see some I will give you a time stamp.