Showing logs for date: 2021-02-21
09:07:12 <Betty> morning all
09:07:28 <Forestbewithyou> Morning Betty
09:08:55 <Betty> hi Forestbewithyou
10:31:19 <JarnoO> morning all, evening Betty
10:34:13 <Forestbewithyou> Hi Jarno
10:37:27 <Betty> evening JarnoO
10:49:25 <Betty> OF
11:33:33 <Betty> BH? Lion?
11:35:18 <JarnoO> must've been Lion 1130 ie
11:35:28 <JarnoO> too little steam for Bee
11:35:35 <Betty> yes, Lion
12:32:33 <Betty> static is stuck
12:55:53 <JarnoO> Whirligig's going back to a minor-dominated eruptive pattern. Had been about 50-50 for minors and non-minors. Last 24h mark a significant break, with two series containing ≥2 minors. Used to be rare post-disturbance
12:57:18 <JarnoO> boaty touched 21°C, now averaging below 20°C
12:58:40 <JarnoO> Tantalus mostly mirrored Nuphar the past 24h
13:03:22 <JarnoO> in other news, Daisy is looking very positive for consistent sub-2h intervals during summer. Average and median over the last 100 are below 2h20m. Summer intervals tend to be about 15-30 minutes shorter than winter the last few years, with about 30 minutes last year. Fingers crossed
13:06:14 <ynpvisitor9> JarnoO, any prospects of possible visits to the park
13:07:51 <JarnoO> afternoon Craig. Only a generalized somewhere next year at its earliest
13:08:31 <CraigC> JarnoO, well, that's a good prospect, what are possible barriers to that
13:09:01 <JarnoO> driver's license, for sure. Bike lanes and public transport are too good :)
13:09:47 <CraigC> JarnoO, where would you fly to
13:09:56 <Betty> yay, great news, Jarno
13:10:17 <Betty> hi CraigC
13:10:23 <CraigC> Betty, howdy
13:10:44 <JarnoO> probably either AMS -> SLC or AMS -> SLC -> WYS, depending on cost
13:11:11 <JarnoO> (and how fast I want to get to Yellowstone)
13:12:38 <CraigC> where is WYS
13:13:02 <JarnoO> as for Daisy prospects - winter averages appear to be 15-20m longer than summer. In the most optimal scenario, Daisy would be having ±1h35m in summer 2022
13:13:11 <JarnoO> WYS is West Yellowstone's airport
13:13:18 <CraigC> gotcha
13:13:30 <CraigC> you'd land right across from where I stay
13:13:51 <CraigC> that's where I went to get pics of the comet last summer
13:14:15 <JarnoO> I'll wave if I choose the WYS option :)
13:15:10 <CraigC> I love seeing the Lear Jets zip in and out of there
13:15:35 <CraigC> sich..... to be filthy rich
13:15:38 <CraigC> sigh
13:16:33 <CraigC> JarnoO, so what is determining your next move on firming up any plans?
13:18:11 <GO STEAMBOAT> jarnoO - car rentals are very expensive in WYS. Much cleaper to drive from SLC
13:18:35 <JarnoO> definitely to get a driver's license, hopefully have that done somewhere by autumn/winter 2021. My ID card is up for renewal in December. If I have any concrete plans for Yellowstone by then I'd go for a passport
13:18:45 <GO STEAMBOAT> if you cant do non-stop to SLC, then AMS - MSP - BZN is good
13:19:31 <JarnoO> oh, and that thing called ESTA or something, but that can hopefully wait until the month before travelling
13:19:40 <GO STEAMBOAT> or through ORD
13:19:49 <CraigC> what is ESTA?
13:19:55 <Betty> yes, ESTA is a must
13:20:21 <JarnoO> a kind of visa replacement from what I've read
13:20:41 <Betty> funny thing. they ask you if you are a terrorist or consume drugs
13:20:49 <CraigC> I havent done any international travel in 3 decades, I know nothing of this stuff
13:21:09 <JarnoO> hopefully hayfever medicine isn't considered a drug, haha
13:21:45 <Betty> that is stuff for those to travel to USA, no need for you ;-)
13:21:53 <JarnoO> what Betty said
13:22:01 <CraigC> JarnoO, is drivers license the biggest bottleneck, or ESTA, or money
13:22:06 <Betty> lol, sure not, Jarno
13:23:30 <JarnoO> driver's license. ESTA can be done about 72h before departure. Money I don't know. I hope to have amassed a decent sum to live off of by then.
13:24:32 <Betty> car rental is more expensive for age under 25
13:24:32 <JarnoO> if I were to rent a cabin at OF or room in the Inn - how much would that be a day? Then I can run some preliminary calcs
13:24:35 <CraigC> getting license takes a long time?
13:24:39 <JarnoO> oh, and that
13:24:44 <KorbenC(phone)1> Oh, JO, remember to give us all the dates if you end up booking next year.
13:25:47 <JarnoO> Craig, depends. But worst-case is about 6 months, best-case about 3 or so. Usually folks average out around 5
13:26:04 <GO STEAMBOAT> cabin without bath is about $100 a night
13:26:10 <KorbenC(phone)1> Any SB updates, having problems even loading this page must less a seismo?
13:26:10 <CraigC> seems like in the summer, there are enough gazers that people could take turns helping you out with transportation
13:26:47 <JarnoO> Korben, temperature rose to 21°C just after noon yesterday before it dropped. Now below 20°C
13:26:49 <KorbenC(phone)1> CraigC, yup, could probably hitch a ride anywhere in the park
13:27:12 <55> JarnoO, consider a job there and stay for the summer :)
13:27:50 <Betty> good point, 55 :-)
13:28:02 <CraigC> if money is an issue, maybe one of your buddies here that is in the FB gazer group (I'm not), could set up a go fund me..... seems like the community could show some appreciation for all the data stuff you do
13:28:06 <GO STEAMBOAT> yeah, thats a good option, dont have to pay for room out of pocket
13:28:58 <GO STEAMBOAT> that group is pretty quiet these days since Craig left
13:28:59 <CraigC> the reason I am pushing the issue, is I would hate to see SB go inactive before you get there
13:29:30 <CraigC> GO STEAMBOAT, LOL.... you saying I am a drama queen? hahahaha
13:29:41 <Betty> lol
13:33:09 <CraigC> JarnoO, have you started the drivers license process?
13:33:43 <JarnoO> I keep forgetting
13:34:34 <CraigC> well, now I feel less bad if you miss it, will be your own fault ;)
13:34:42 <JarnoO> :)
13:35:24 <CraigC> seriously, though, I would try to help get you into the park from West if I were there at the same time
13:35:52 <Betty> yes, so would I
13:36:00 <CraigC> I just wouldnt babysit you.... I am a loner, a rebel
13:36:30 <CraigC> (name that movie)
13:36:37 <Betty> and don´t forget to bring your own chair, Jarno
13:36:55 <JarnoO> in which case, Craig, you could probably just drop me off at a basin and you won't hear from me until perhaps the evening or even next day, haha
13:38:20 <CraigC> I have extra radios, too
13:43:48 <JarnoO> that would be helpful. FRS frequencies in the Netherlands are used for emergency services
13:44:54 <CraigC> my advice, don't put yourself in a spot where you would end up with regrets
13:44:55 <Betty> ours don´t work over there, as I know
13:47:29 <JarnoO> true that, Craig
13:53:21 <KorbenC> Back from my hike :)
13:53:59 <KorbenC> Jarno, I think nayobdy where would transport you between basins, we all have extra everything, I will have a nice purple chair here in a few months, after I steal it :P
13:57:43 <KorbenC> also, any camera update?
14:30:44 <BenVL> Looking back in the chat log... JO, if you are able to rent a car you could sleep in, campground nights are far cheaper.
14:31:43 <BenVL> But that does require extra gear
14:31:59 <JarnoO> true. I guess another consideration to make
14:32:16 <JarnoO> would be more mobile in case of a special event
14:33:01 <BenVL> Obviously plane tickets are a lot more than my gas costs for the trip up and back, but I can do a two week trip for under $1000
14:35:48 <JarnoO> wouldn't be surprised if that would five-fold if I were to go two weeks
14:36:52 <BenVL> Airline tickets, car rentals, and the like cost a lot for sure
14:37:47 <JarnoO> yes. I did a quick search and I'd be ending up at about $1400 for a car for 14 days at minimum...
14:37:58 <JarnoO> "fun"
14:38:23 <BenVL> oof
14:43:21 <JarnoO> oh well - I am able to set aside money into savings usually every month, so it shouldn't be bad. Plus, paid internship also helps with that
14:43:26 <KorbenC> BenVL, how much snow did you end up getting overnight?
14:43:43 <KorbenC> JO, how do plane tickets look price wise?
14:44:13 <JarnoO> no idea on the cheapest, but I'd be looking towards €2000 for a round-trip
14:44:14 <BenVL> KorbenC, about 1"-2". Most of it is gone now.
14:44:43 <JarnoO> (that is AMS->SLC and back)
14:45:14 <BenVL> Well, I hope you'll be able to make jt Jarno. I would love for you to get to see SB
14:45:22 <BenVL> it*
14:45:35 <JarnoO> I would too :)
14:45:56 <GO STEAMBOAT> will be interesting to see what happens with air proces as air travel picks up. now they are al over the place in part because not many planes are flying
14:46:04 <GO STEAMBOAT> air prices
14:46:31 <JarnoO> yeah. I surely remember it being about €200 cheaper one-way before virus
14:47:07 <GO STEAMBOAT> US is not cheap, but if you got a job in the park and were at OF, you wouldn't need to get a car. some gazers would probably help you get to LGB and Norris
14:47:48 <GO STEAMBOAT> I offered Luke rides when he was there without a car .... i think he got rides with someone closer to his age tho. haha
14:49:10 <KorbenC> JarnoO, in theory, you could fly into Jackson hole, and the fares can be around 800 USD, and probably 100 USD for baggage, I will let you do the conversions.
14:49:43 <KorbenC> JO, are you thinking this year (2021) or next year (2022)? or some future date in time.
14:49:51 <JarnoO> next year at minimum
14:49:59 <KorbenC> :thumbsup:
14:50:00 <JarnoO> Korben, that also resets your timer
14:50:13 <KorbenC> I know :)
14:50:32 <KorbenC> I will ask you when I am booking my cabins for next year, see if you have a set date and or time in mind.
14:51:51 <KorbenC> Graham, we have to keep Dave away from YNP if Jarno gets there and SB is still active, haha.
14:53:10 <JarnoO> hah, we'll see how or if I would even share the exact dates. Might even let it be a surprise and log my first in-basin time from some obscure feature :P
14:54:01 <BenVL> Just show up and start asking one of the gazers all sorts of questions
14:54:46 <KorbenC> BenVL, "When is this geyser predicted to go off" while at Steamboat.
14:54:57 <JarnoO> don't think playing the typical tourist would be that good
14:55:04 <BenVL> whens is gonna explode?
14:55:19 <BenVL> How long have you been sitting here?
14:55:25 <KorbenC> "What is that white smoking doing there, it is going to blow up"?
14:55:30 <BenVL> Then laugh when we tell you how long
14:55:52 <KorbenC> "Only five minutes" stops all their questions. :)
14:56:19 <BenVL> That's Craig's thing
14:56:31 <KorbenC> It works, as I found out!
14:57:01 <KorbenC> Hey Kevin
14:58:02 <KorbenC> Ben, go up and say hi to everybody by their names, then just walk away :)
14:58:15 <BenVL> Yeah lol
14:58:54 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Hi.
14:58:57 <JarnoO> euhm... I'm very bad with connecting names to faces - so even if I were to know you by chat name I'd probably only make the definitive connection by the end of my stay
14:59:17 <KorbenC> You just have to walk up behind them and say "Hi ... ... ... ... ...
14:59:24 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I found a good picture for old gazers. Who are these people?
14:59:46 <KorbenC> JO, I have a feeling many of us would figure it out after a little while.
14:59:50 <JarnoO> I even have that in my project groups while I have somewhat known them for about 2½ years now
15:00:44 <KorbenC> Kevin L™ 🌵, is it sad that I know some of those gazers because they still have the same hat? :P
15:01:02 <BenVL> I assume you have an accent that would tip us off that you are from europe?
15:01:11 <JarnoO> I think so
15:01:31 <KorbenC> Accent + Radio + Not Betty, would let us figure it out. :)
15:01:42 <BenVL> Then we'd probably figure it out pretty quick :p
15:01:54 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I think a lot of them probably still do have the same hats.
15:02:03 <Betty> Korben, do you think you could figure me out?
15:02:36 <KorbenC> Betty, maybe not as much, but I think after two or three days I would.
15:02:45 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Betty spotted me right off.
15:03:02 <Betty> true, Kevin :-)
15:03:05 <KorbenC> Heck, I picked out CB from a crowd in rain gear, when I had no idea who she was. :p I am quite good at identifying people.
15:03:06 <GO STEAMBOAT> must have been the chicken feathers
15:03:23 <Betty> but it took a long time since I met a gazer
15:04:00 <Betty> I tried to find out if they were on chat, but I was surprised how many are not
15:04:11 <BenVL> My gazer "uniform" is about as nerdy as it gets. I'm probably pretty easy to find
15:04:32 <KorbenC> Also picked out Wm, and Emily, and Demetri, and pretty much everyone, even though I had never seen them before.
15:04:43 <JarnoO> white socks in sandals perhaps, Ben?
15:04:55 <BenVL> lol no
15:05:06 <KorbenC> Quite easy to pick me out, probably not too many kids out there that are undeniably gazers.
15:05:12 <Kevin L™ 🌵> We we by the John Railey when Betty came by.
15:05:26 <BenVL> The hat, radio, backpack, inclinometer, cold weather gear, camera, everything
15:05:39 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Railey bench
15:05:56 <Kevin L™ 🌵> And a days worth of food and water...
15:06:03 <KorbenC> I do tent to wear sandals, unless it is below freezing then I just wear waterproof boots.
15:06:07 <KorbenC> do tend*
15:06:10 <Betty> I guess the first I met was DaveM, because we dated at Yellowstone sign at West entrance
15:06:42 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I always wore tire tread sandals when I was a bit younger.
15:07:00 <Betty> or wait, I guess it was Micah and Will
15:07:02 <KorbenC> One thing that might not give me away, is, I do not even bring a hat to YNP, can't stand them.
15:07:37 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I don't really like hats but I HATE sunburned heads.
15:08:04 <BenVL> Oh, and the atomic watch PLUS a second, dedicated stopwatch watch
15:08:25 <JarnoO> probably the one thing that would give me away is eating bread out of a transparent plastic bag. Apparantly that's what most Dutch people do when they're out on holiday
15:09:14 <KorbenC> JarnoO, think the notebook and dutch accent would give it away first.
15:09:32 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I killed a watch in BH rain the first day I was there once. The only other watch we had was my Daughter's Minnie Mouse watch. Thought I would never live that down.
15:09:46 <Betty> lol, Jarno, you need to find bread first
15:10:13 <JarnoO> I guess
15:10:24 <BenVL> Get a burger from hams with only the buns
15:10:54 <KorbenC> Wonder what Jarno will think of the geyser grill?
15:10:56 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Yellowstone bread is grim compared with European bread.
15:11:10 <JarnoO> hmpf
15:11:40 <Betty> you will survive, I made it too
15:11:47 <JarnoO> :)
15:11:51 <KorbenC> Gotta make sure you try the Obsidian grill though, great breakfast.
15:12:03 <BenVL> WHAT?
15:12:09 <Betty> lol
15:12:18 <BenVL> Is not!
15:12:37 <BenVL> I swear their eggs are plastic
15:12:44 <Betty> hhahaha
15:13:10 <KorbenC> Eggs suck, but bacon.
15:13:11 <JarnoO> my breakfast is honestly just three slices of bread, lunch is four (around noon), some snacks between lunch and dinner and dinner at 6
15:13:14 <Kevin L™ 🌵> You were never in the Army Ben.
15:14:32 <BenVL> In all fairness I'm extremely picky
15:14:39 <KorbenC> YNP breakfast for me is oatmeal, lunch is an assortment of Granola bars and jerky while out in the basin area, dinner is some kind of jetboiled soup, and then repeat.
15:15:08 <ynpvisitor8> peanut butter and honey sandwiches, all day
15:15:11 <BenVL> But eggs at hams are good and their coffee is great
15:15:12 <KorbenC> ALways set up the kettle the night before, that way in the morning I can have all my breakfast and be ready in 15 or 20 minutes.
15:15:21 <KorbenC> 8, Hi Craig!
15:15:33 <ynpvisitor8> haha, figured that would be a give-away
15:15:46 <KorbenC> We all know your PB and H sandwiches Craig :P
15:15:56 <ynpvisitor8> on thin bread
15:15:57 <BenVL> Straight peanut butter from the jar
15:16:09 <Betty> you want to meet a bear, Craig? :-)
15:16:15 <KorbenC> BenVL, lots of calories that is for certain
15:16:16 <ynpvisitor8> BenVL, I do that back at the trailer before I leave
15:16:24 <BenVL> And powdered donettes
15:16:42 <ynpvisitor8> white powder, in and all over the mouth
15:17:29 <BenVL> Breakfast of champions
15:17:29 <Betty> time for sleep, night all
15:17:40 <KorbenC> Ben, I don't have time to eat sweets, when you are doing 20+ miles per day, all I want to eat is things that are calorie jam packed.
15:17:44 <KorbenC> and hearty.
15:17:46 <KorbenC> Bye Betty.
15:18:09 <JarnoO> cya Betty
15:18:34 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Good Knight Betty
15:19:41 <BenVL> Cya Betty
16:19:31 <KorbenC> Night all, good luck with the broken cam.
16:20:12 <Ben VL> Cya
16:20:23 <JarnoO> cya Korben
16:21:04 <JarnoO> probably an Etna paroxysm in a few hours from now
16:22:47 <JarnoO> unfortunately the current active center is the SE crater complex. Its Voragine cone can shoot lava over a kilometer and pretty much vertically
16:23:22 <JarnoO> makes boaty look tiny in comparison, haha
16:23:56 <Ben VL> Even Waimangu
19:25:47 <KorbenC> SB
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19:29:04 <CraigC> there it is
19:29:19 <KorbenC> yup
19:29:21 <KorbenC> 1920
19:29:44 <KorbenC> Certainly a signal on YNM and YNR Spectro.
19:35:26 <BoatSteam OG> :sb:
19:39:53 <BoatSteam OG>
19:41:05 <KorbenC> This one has a nice YNR signal too :)
19:42:04 <CraigC> I always think of Silvio from the Sopranos impersonating that line
19:49:34 <BoatSteam OG> That’s what I was going for but that was the best link I could find