Showing logs for date: 2021-06-24
05:23:19 <Indy?> Is that BHI?
05:24:02 <5> yes
05:24:35 <Indy?> Thought so
05:25:07 <Indy?> No cam op yet ?
05:25:21 <Indy?> Where is Korben?
05:25:31 <5> don't think so. Usually Joe covers the night
05:25:44 <5> Korben probably just woke up
05:26:52 <5> good news for Eric: they changed the resolution of the stream. Bad news: the footage is still sheit
05:27:29 <Indy?> That is not good news
05:27:55 <Indy?> Is Joe gone?
05:28:32 <5> probably asleep. No overnight entries from webcam since the 0155ie Daisy
05:28:53 <Indy?> Are you at BH Forest?
05:29:07 <Linda> I took cam
05:29:14 <Indy?> That was Dave M, not Joe
05:29:24 <Linda> i sent txt
05:29:24 <5> oh lol
05:29:28 <Forestbewithyou> Nope
05:29:37 <5> no, then I suspect Joe is sleeping
05:29:59 <5> probably having a good night's rest at last :)
05:30:04 <Indy?> Will it move to BH Linda?
05:30:13 <Linda> Havent recwived txt yet
05:30:21 <Linda> its on BH
05:30:35 <Linda> Not seeing it?
05:30:51 <Indy?> My view just moved there, must be on delay
05:31:03 <Linda> Ok
05:31:05 <Indy?> No text received though
05:31:11 <Forestbewithyou> I think Korben is in Norris
05:31:13 <5> wow, you're on a bad delay then, about 90s or so
05:31:39 <Indy?> Where are you Forest?
05:31:46 <Linda> I havent gittwn txt either im on verizon
05:31:49 <Forestbewithyou> West
05:32:12 <Indy?> Oh, no BH for you
05:32:27 <Indy?> OF ie
05:32:39 <Forestbewithyou> Yea no way we are catching this one
05:33:03 <5> well, some people have a teleporting device, perhaps rent one of those :D
05:33:24 <Linda> Forestbewithyou, hi
05:33:29 <Linda> There is text
05:33:38 <5> looks like last evening there was a swarm (maybe magmatic intrusion) at Kilauea
05:33:50 <Indy?> Finally got text. Twice
05:34:06 <Forestbewithyou> Hi Linda
05:34:41 <5> would be nice if you could place the cam on the Sawmill complex after Bee's done. Possible Sawmill overnight
05:35:16 <5> and looked fairy steamy (Tardy perhaps) before you panned
05:35:33 <Forestbewithyou> That is going to be my first stop when I arrive
05:36:45 <Linda> Bre
05:37:09 <Linda> Or bee
05:37:28 <5> darn... Going to be difficult to time Indicator with that cloud
05:37:33 <Forestbewithyou> Yay
05:37:46 <5> oh well, could be worse
05:37:59 <5> like sudden fog appearance
05:38:05 <Linda> Nice steam column
05:38:12 <5> JimS has Bee in view
05:39:31 <Linda> also they tweaked the streaming, so things may improve, or not
05:39:56 <5> lower resolution, but footage is still blocky and static-esque like before
05:40:23 <5> I think the T1 simply cannot keep up with what the cam's sending through
05:41:29 <5> the stream is keeping up longer than with the old cam which didn't adjust the bitrate
05:42:35 <Kitt> well. got to see part of it
05:42:47 <Linda> :thumbsup
05:43:09 <Kitt> we had several power bumps yesterday evening with the wind storm and I didn't check computer after that
05:43:10 <Linda> I sent two txts, one got lost i think
05:43:38 <Kitt> I heard both texts but had to reboot computer
05:44:01 <Kitt> I figured the double whistle was for indy
05:44:08 <Linda> I only got one and i sent them lol
05:44:23 <Linda> :)
05:46:24 <Linda> Ok im not supposed to be on. Ill leave here until camop comes on at 7am
05:46:45 <Linda> Controls released
05:47:14 <JarnoO> thanks for popping by
05:47:19 <l> stream looks great on my laptop right now
05:47:58 <l> Linda, :) just happened to look and see indy, it would be criminal not to move it. haha
05:48:21 <l> beautiful sky
05:52:30 <Kitt> my screen shows a steady view for a moment then goes to looking thru water on a window
05:53:15 <JarnoO> that's the variable bitrate the cam has. The less that is, the blockier the view becomes
05:53:32 <JarnoO> it's better than having a cam dropping out frequently
06:06:57 <6> It does not look as if the cam thing was fixed very well :)
06:20:07 <6> Daisy
06:51:11 <Linda> Hey finally got my other txt 🙄
06:57:32 <Michelle> Morning
06:58:23 <6> hmm, not waiting for OF
06:59:32 <Michelle> So this is fixed?
07:00:23 <6> I think [ul]not[/ul]
07:03:37 <Michelle> Well, I had OF for a brief moment.
07:07:10 <Michelle> Afraid to even move it when OF finishes. Last night it was terrible.
07:09:01 <6> It will be just as good:)
07:15:36 <Eric> OF on static
07:16:05 <Eric> OF 0715 ns
07:16:43 <Eric> Good Morning all
07:16:55 <JarnoO> morning Eric. They changed the resolution of the stream to be way smaller (looks like 480p or so)
07:17:14 <JarnoO> but it's still blocky and constantly drops out
07:17:17 <Eric> Interesting, I will take a look if it comes back up.
07:17:34 <JarnoO> apparantly it was changed sometime yesterday or overnight
07:17:51 <JarnoO> so the two captures from today already have the new resolution
07:19:59 <Eric> ugg, they reduced the frame size/resolution but they also reduced the bitrate so we are still getting compression artifacts.
07:20:40 <Eric> I wonder if it is bosch's "low bandwidth setting"?
07:23:07 <Eric> new resolution is 768x432 @ 30 fps (for some reason), where before they had it at 15 fps and the bitrate is now set at like 300Kb/s which is about half of what it needs to be.
07:23:31 <6> FYI: 'reduced the stream to a lower resolution (SD) option with a higher bit rate'
07:23:41 <JarnoO> 30fps? Looks more like 15 on my end
07:24:21 <Eric> You cannot tell frame rate by visual inspection :-D
07:24:36 <JarnoO> :)
07:25:20 <Michelle> Going to the back basin. Get ready for a freeze!:)
07:25:41 <Eric> they could cut the frames in half and up the bitrate to 600Kbps and I bet we would see a decent feed.
07:25:52 <Michelle> Not bad!
07:25:52 <JarnoO> Michelle, excellent choice. May see some Sawmill action
07:26:09 <6> I remember some one saying 'if you work for the Gov't...."
07:26:15 <Michelle> Riverside!
07:26:39 <Eric> haha, yes but camops can have some influence I hope.
07:26:59 <JarnoO> and speaking of Sawmill, looks like it's steaming a bit, along with Tardy
07:27:18 <JarnoO> actually, that's Churn and Tardy
07:28:40 <Eric> It's weird, their video compression algorithm cycles the bit rate from 200 - 800 sometimes. At 800KBps it looks really good :-D
07:29:20 <Eric> If they can set the video compression to a CBR of 800 instead of the weird VBR compression they are using now, it should be fine.
07:31:13 <JarnoO> Michelle, can you zoom in on the Sawmill complex?
07:31:49 <Eric> so 6, is this a radio or internet issue we are seeing from the webcam?
07:32:36 <6> I think internet.
07:33:02 <Eric> Has anyone reset the router lately?
07:33:34 <6> not to my knowledge
07:35:38 <Eric> My guess the issue with the bitrates stems from Bosch's "Intelligent Dynamic Noise Reduction and intelligent streaming"
07:35:59 <Michelle> I'm trying to zoom. Every time I hit it, it freezes for about 30 seconds or more.
07:37:06 <6> I think they should disable Bosch's "Intelligent Dynamic Noise Reduction and intelligent streaming"
07:38:46 <Michelle> How's that.
07:39:12 <Michelle> It's actually closer, wait forvit!
07:39:20 <Michelle> For it
07:39:24 <JarnoO> looks good, though maybe a touch to the right so that Spasmodic is also in view
07:41:46 <Eric> I agree 6, something in this camera is causing it to over compress.
07:43:23 <6> Have fun, I must depart.
07:45:33 <Eric> Bye 6
07:46:09 <Eric> So maybe 720P is fine and the "Intelligent" Bosch compression was actually causing the artifacting.
07:59:49 <l> I can send an email asking for a reboot if you want
08:01:19 <l> On my screen it's clear and then all of a sudden it's pixelated
08:03:20 <l> like and then it clears again almost like its trying to focus
08:24:40 <Michelle> Daisy
08:29:13 <Michelle> I Think Katie is up. Short but sweet.
08:29:32 <Michelle> You all have a great day!
08:30:15 <Katie (v2)> Hi all
08:31:31 <Michelle> Hi Katie. Working better than last night!
08:31:58 <Katie (v2)> This is "better?"
08:33:03 <Michelle> Last night was awful, believe it or not, this morning is a little better. Doesn't say much.
08:52:22 <Katie (v2)> OF IE
08:53:07 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Well we do have 2 still shots.
09:49:11 <KorbenC(phone)> JarnoO, no Whirligig E times today?
09:49:22 <JarnoO> busy with other things
09:49:44 <KorbenC(phone)> Ok, I will wait for them
09:54:59 <Kevin L™ 🌵> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFEewD4EVwU&ab_channel=BloodSweatTearsVEVO
09:59:59 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I guess it is time for me to be frustrated.
10:00:11 <Katie (v2)> Good luck
10:01:01 <Kevin L™ 🌵> If this cam was a horse it would be on the glue aisle at Home Depot.
10:08:58 <Cam down?> No cam today?
10:36:19 <Greg (working)> I was checking to see if the changes made any difference - that was easy - not. Grrr
10:36:31 <Greg (working)> Glue factory, good one
10:43:59 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Did you see BNSF hit a car at Flagstaff last night.
11:20:48 <Camera❌> Webcam Recovering YaY!
11:21:07 <Camera❌> :p
11:22:44 <Camera❌> Hip, hip hooray!!
11:53:50 <ynpvisitor32> Kevin, no I did not, I logged off after #3 left
12:03:52 <fishynp> Anyone have any thoughts on SB? Will it go off again in this sequence?
12:06:57 <JarnoO> most likely, but the disturbance which occurred after the 11d interval on May 5 slowed it down by doubling the interval and a few days
12:08:08 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Not as long as Dave is there
12:28:09 <Mario> :daisy:
13:36:06 <AYates> SB looks primed to go but everything in Norris and Mammoth is bone dry and despressing
13:36:55 <AYates> It’s not an activity question there is just no water
14:30:53 <fishynp> Except Cistern. It's wetter than I've ever seen it.
14:40:53 <Betty> afternoon all
14:41:20 <JarnoO> evening Betty
14:41:38 <Kevin L™ 🌵> hi
14:41:58 <Betty> evening JarnoO, hi Kevin L™ 🌵
14:43:05 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Nasty storm on static
14:43:26 <Betty> uggh
15:01:29 <Kevin L™ 🌵> I feel like I have fought a war with this stupid camera all this week.
15:53:22 <JarnoO> afternoon Korben. I can't get my head around your flags - the logger trace clearly shows spikes at those times
15:53:53 <JarnoO> by any chance, did you see hot water running below the boardwalk in pulses at those times?
15:54:07 <JarnoO> (this is excluding Constant)
15:54:28 <KorbenC(phone)> JarnoO, hi
15:54:43 <KorbenC(phone)> I was there sitting at constant
15:55:22 <KorbenC(phone)> It did not have overflow or pushes during that time. so idk what you are seeing on the logger, but it ain't Whirligig
15:55:52 <JarnoO> and are you sure your clock wasn't an hour behind? Low water levels from Whirligig sound like post-eruptive non-minor
15:56:39 <KorbenC(phone)> Yes I am sure my clock is t behind. Synced it this morning
15:57:17 <KorbenC(phone)> Sure my clock isn't behind***
15:57:58 <KorbenC(phone)> Give me one sec, restarting phone
15:58:01 <JarnoO> hm... weird... The other day all E times lined up with those of MAB. The file I got from YVO also has the correct UTC timestamps which are then converted to MDT for uploading
15:59:43 <kiawe (at work)> Greet greet -- I gather the camera hates us all once again?
16:00:18 <JarnoO> yes
16:00:28 <kiawe (at work)> Pbbbbbtth!
16:01:04 <Kevin L™ 🌵> Good luck to the next camop
16:01:09 <Betty> hi Korben and kiawe
16:01:20 <kiawe (at work)> Aloha!
16:02:33 <kiawe (at work)> The camera went down hard last spring, and never fully recovered. It's worked well only intermittently since then, and has had several major (longer than 2 weeks) outages.
16:03:00 <KorbenC(phone)1> JarnoO, well IDK, I think a fair number of those E-times are something else. In basin people agree that they are not the most accurate
16:04:29 <JarnoO> that's true - the logger's clock tends to drift by a fair few minutes within weeks (currently about 4-5 minutes slow, but was about 6-7 slow a few days ago). Though it does a good job at capturing most Whirligig eruptions and even Pinwheel
16:06:20 <KorbenC(phone)1> Well, then then how do you get the exact time in seconds? And how come they all are the same second. Seems unlikely to me
16:06:48 <kiawe (at work)> Software or hardware issue?
16:07:00 <KorbenC(phone)1> Half of porcelain flows into there, so hard if not impossible to know what is causing the water, just that something is
16:07:14 <JarnoO> the logger logs every two minutes a timestamp. Every logger does
16:07:52 <KorbenC(phone)1> So how can you get the seconds and exact time if it logs every two minutes?
16:08:23 <JarnoO> that timestamp includes seconds - logging every two minutes also means the seconds will always be the same. In YVO's case these seconds change about every week or so, seems to be connected to when they have to manually intervene when the loggers don't upload
16:08:34 <kiawe (at work)> Does it trigger automatically if there is an event?
16:08:55 <JarnoO> the logger simply records the temperature at the probe 24/7
16:09:09 <KorbenC(phone)1> But if it doesn't update in seconds you can't get seconds
16:09:12 <kiawe (at work)> Ah.
16:10:23 <KorbenC(phone)1> Just seems to me something is odd with them, but I will blab to you when I get home. Grand pool is good.
16:10:31 <JarnoO> well, you can. If you scroll through old E data on GT you'll see seconds attached to E data as well, for example https://geysertimes.org/date.php?date=2017-06-25
16:11:02 <JarnoO> those loggers have a data resolution of a minute
16:11:36 <JarnoO> and you see that they all have the same seconds for each feature logged
16:11:47 <KorbenC(phone)1> Bye Jarno:) time to watch for Grand
16:12:04 <JarnoO> and some allow even to record duration, for example Grotto and Spouter
16:12:20 <KorbenC(phone)1> Turban was 1556 if you are interested
16:12:44 <JarnoO> we're stuck on fluffball and cam is dead
16:13:03 <JarnoO> even though Fluffy isn't due. Think there's no camop around at the moment
16:16:43 <kiawe (at work)> *eyeroll*
16:20:27 <KorbenC(phone)1> Grand 1618
16:21:53 <kiawe (at work)> Well, I got to see a bison grazing. GTG; aloha!
16:22:33 <Betty> daisy
16:26:06 <Greg 🤠> Cam still krashing, bummers
16:29:45 <DaveM> is someone moving the webcam?
16:29:47 <Betty> Im trapped in a cam loop
16:30:03 <Greg 🤠> I just did
16:30:07 <Betty> hi DaveM, how are you?
16:30:20 <Betty> hi Greg 🤠
16:30:38 <Greg 🤠> Hi Betty
16:30:47 <DaveM> Greg why are you moving it?
16:30:55 <Greg 🤠> But I am logging off
16:32:38 <DaveM> Hi Betty
17:02:00 <KorbenC(phone)> JO, I thought you would have deleted your Whirligig entered bu now
17:02:17 <KorbenC(phone)> Becausee I was literally there and it didn't go
17:07:03 <JarnoO> I have no reason to assume the entries are wrong per se, not only because I haven't found any weirdness throughout the traces (all intervals are within normal range) and the logger was cross-checked with in-basin entries two days ago
17:07:22 <JarnoO> nor do I know of any DST things going on at the time
17:08:44 <KorbenC(phone)> So you think I am lying about it, and how it didn't go?
17:09:05 <KorbenC(phone)> Because I was literally sitting there staring at it
17:09:50 <KorbenC(phone)> Well, you have my data. It will likely be double flagged
17:11:21 <JarnoO> well, "water levels were very low" implies you came after a non-minor, which, per the logger, occurred @ 0633:28 E. It was preceded by a series of minors, which only drop the pool by a foot or so if not less
17:12:09 <KorbenC(phone)> Not that low
17:12:32 <KorbenC(phone)> But not in overflow
17:50:30 <ynpvisitor26> I hope those are not double flagged KorbenC(phone), and Jarno
17:55:24 <JarnoO> me neither, #26. I could lock them, but that's a bit unnecessary in my opinion. I only do it in exceptional cases
17:56:17 <ynpvisitor26> Save the data in case they do disappear
17:57:18 <JarnoO> I've saved all of YVO's raw logger data on my computer - only requires some mouseclicks and it's back :)
17:58:28 <JarnoO> well, I say all - only when Whirligig was active and not even every bit since 2017's reactivation. 2021's data goes back until January's disturbance
17:58:37 <JarnoO> that was a Castle start
17:59:26 <ynpvisitor26> :thumbsup:
18:00:28 <JarnoO> 1757 start. Even though the min/maj flag doesn't matter (since GT no longer predicts Castle since its intervals jumped), I'd rather have someone reporting it who'll be here until after it turns min/maj. I'm headed out
18:00:37 <JarnoO> night all
19:10:06 <Jeff> Hey korben
19:10:58 <linda> Jeff, hi
19:12:31 <Jeff> Hi Linda
19:12:58 <linda> Jeff, what's happenin? :)
19:13:07 <Jeff> Tired
19:13:27 <linda> :( busy?
19:13:28 <Jeff> Had to do register and grocery today
19:13:49 <linda> bummer
19:14:09 <Jeff> 50k in sales between both days
19:14:23 <linda> that's amazing
19:15:13 <Jeff> That was a week of sales last year with bridge closed
19:20:33 <linda> I guess I never realized how much they were racking in. ;)
19:41:50 <Kevin iPad> That is 3 loves
19:42:12 <Kevin iPad> loaves of bread and a quart of milk
19:59:23 <kiawe (still at> well, nuts. I'm a jinx; I come back in and the camera freezes :P
20:02:16 <kiawe (still at> *slinks back away*
21:07:02 <kcmule> darn it Knights
21:18:48 <Kevin L™ 🌵> :p
21:20:23 <Kevin L™ 🌵> They make it high in the playoffs then choke.
21:24:40 <kcmule> beats a decade playoff drought
21:33:20 <linda> what the heck was that?
21:34:52 <linda> cam does weird things